* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:08:55] [00:14:17] [00:15:22] [00:25:50] [00:26:13] ALL [00:26:13] RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE HARLINGEN CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP. THE TIME IS NOW 5:44 PM WE'LL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. IT HAS BEEN POSTED AS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW. WE DO HAVE A QUORUM OF THE CITY COMMISSION. UM, WE DO HAVE COMMISSIONER MORALES ON ZOOM FROM DISTRICT FOUR. UM, FOR THE RECORD, DISTRICT ONE COMMISSIONER GOMEZ IS ABSENT. THE REST ARE PRESENT IN THE CHAMBERS. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK FOR, FOR EVERYONE TO PLEASE YOU DOING THE IN OH, I'M DOING THE INVOCATION. YES, ABSOLUTELY. PLEASE STAND AS, UH, COMMISSIONER LOPEZ LEADS US IN OUR INVOCATION. UH, DEAR LORD, UM, PLEASE HAVE HELP US HAVE A QUICK AND EFFICIENT MEETING. HELP US BE SMART WITH PEOPLE'S MONEY AND DO THE BEST WE CAN, UH, WITH THE PROJECTS WE HAVE. AMEN. AMEN. NOW, THE PLEDGE, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD. JUSTICE FOR MARK. OKAY. UNDER STATE LAW, CONFLICT OF INTEREST EXISTS IF A COMMISSION MEMBER OR CERTAIN MEMBERS OF THAT PERSON'S FAMILY HAS A QUALIFYING FINANCIAL INTEREST AND AN AGENDA ITEM. MEMBERS WITH A CONFLICT OF INTEREST CANNOT PARTICIPATE IN THE DISCUSSION NOR VOTE ON THE AGENDA ITEM. ARE THERE ANY KNOWN CONFLICTS OF INTEREST TO DISCLOSE AT THIS TIME? COMMISSIONER? NONE. NONE. NONE, NONE. ALRIGHT. MOVING FORWARD. UM, I BELIEVE WE HAVE NO ONE SIGNED UP FOR CITIZEN COMMUNICATION. OKAY. MOVING ON TO ITEM FOUR, DISCUSSION OF THE PROPOSED CITY OF HARLAN AND BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026 TO 2027. AND, UM, WE'VE GOT ROBERT, UM, BEFORE, UH, YOU START ROBERT, UM, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COMMISSION, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. THIS IS THE START OF OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP. THIS IS BUDGET WORKSHOP NUMBER ONE. UH, LAST BUDGET YEAR, WE HAD FIVE WORKSHOP SESSIONS. WE HAD A REALLY ROBUST YEAR LAST YEAR. UM, LOTS OF EXCESS REVENUE. UH, THIS YEAR, UH, IT'S, UH, SHAPING UP TO BE JUST SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. OUR REVENUES ARE TIGHTER THAN NORMAL. UH, SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA BE NEEDING FIVE WORKSHOPS, THIS, THIS BUDGET YEAR. UH, I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN BE DONE WITH TWO, MAYBE THREE AT THE MOST. UM, SO THE, UH, THE HANDOUT THAT WE JUST GAVE YOU IS ALMOST IDENTICAL TO THE ONE THAT WAS SENT TO YOUR IPADS. WE DID MAKE ONE CHANGE TO THE, UH, TO THE BUDGET. WE HAD A DOLLAR AMOUNT INTO THE, UH, POLICE FOR CBA. WE TOOK THAT NUMBER OUT BECAUSE IT WAS JUST A PLACE HOLD FOR NOW. UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. SO WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE IS A BUDGET THAT'S PRESENTED WITHOUT ANY INCREASE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT SEVERAL OPTIONS, UH, THE TAX RATE. AND THEN, UH, AFTER THAT WE'LL GET INTO THE DETAIL MAYBE TODAY OR MONDAY ON WHAT THE TAX RATE YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS. AND THEN ANY, ANY PROJECTS THAT YOU WANT FUNDED WITH THE ACCESS REVENUE THAT WE HAVE. THANK YOU, GABE. SO THIS WILL BE VERY PRELIMINARY 'CAUSE YOU WILL HAVE, UH, YES. HOPEFULLY SOMETHING FROM THE CBA. SO WE, WE, UH, UH, A LOT, SOME OF THEIR MEMBERS WERE OUT OF TOWN THIS WEEK, SO WE'RE NOT MEETING AT ALL THIS WEEK. SO, OKAY. UH, WE, WE ARE GONNA BE MEETING ON TUESDAY, WHICH WOULD BE AFTER OUR SECOND BUDGET WORKSHOP. OKAY. HELLO. HELLO. EVERYTHING. OKAY. SO, UH, [00:30:02] SO YES, WE'RE GONNA BE MEETING WITH THE POLICE OFFICER ASSOCIATION ON TUESDAY. AND WHAT, UH, I'LL DO IS IF THEY GIVE ME A NUMBER, I'LL CALL EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. OKAY. AND ROBERT. READY? THANK YOU. UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS AND, AND STAFF. UH, THANK YOU FOR, FOR ATTENDING THE FIRST WORKSHOP, UM, THE BUDGET WORKSHOP. UH, IF WE TURN TO PAGE ONE, WE HAVE CALCULATED OUR, UH, NO NEW REVENUE, UH, TAX RATE AND OUR VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE, WHICH HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO CAMERON COUNTY. UH, THEY'VE REVIEWED IT, THEY'VE APPROVED IT, AND I'VE SENT THE SIGNED COPY TO THEM. UH, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIRST COLUMN ON PAGE TWO, UH, OUR, OUR, UH, NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE IS 0.5 0 5 6 5 6 PER 100. OUR VOTER APPROVAL RATE IS 0.5 6 8 3 3 3 PER 100. AND, AND OUR CURRENT RATE IS 0.5 2 6 0 6 0. SO, UM, OUR, OUR, THE TOP LINE, UH, INDICATES THE CERTIFIED TOTALS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT. UH, THE SECOND LINE INDICATES THE TOTAL TAX RATE, AND THEN WE HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF THE M AND O THE INS, UM, ALLOCATIONS. AND SO IF WE, WE CALCULATE A 98% COLLECTION RATE. THE, THE REVENUE ITEMS ARE ON THE, ON THE BOTTOM THREE. SO IT'LL BE THE TOTAL REVENUE, UH, THE INS COLLECTIONS AND THE M AND O COLLECTIONS ON THE BOTTOM. SO, UH, DEPENDING ON THE TAX RATE THAT WE ADOPT, UH, THOSE WOULD BE THE REVENUE AMOUNTS THAT WE WOULD ADOPT BASED ON THE TAX RATE. SO ON THE FIRST PAGE, WE DO, WE DO HAVE A PROPOSED RATE OF DROPPING THE, UM, THE, THE, UM, TAX RATE TO 0.5 2 5 0 6 0 100, WHICH WOULD BE LIKE A 10TH OF A CENT, UH, ON THE NEXT PAGE. THERE ARE OTHER, BEFORE YOU GO ON. SURE. UM, THIS YEAR FOR THE CALCULATION, THERE WAS AN ADJUSTMENT MADE BY THE, UH, UH, IT WAS THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT, UM, THAT ACCOUNTED FOR EXPENDITURES MADE IN THE FLOODS LAST YEAR. RIGHT. THAT THE DISASTER, SO ANYTIME WE HAVE A DISASTER, IT'S INCLUDED IN THE CALCULATION OF, OF THE TAX RATE. SO THAT IS INCLUDED. AND, AND THAT'S WHERE IT GETS US TO THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE. AND, AND THAT'S WHY THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE IS ALMOST 4 CENTS HIGHER THAN THE CURRENT, THAN THE CURRENT RATE. AND THAT REPRESENTS THE HIGHEST RATE THAT WE CAN ADOPT, UH, WITHOUT GOING TO THE VOTERS, THE VOTERS. SO, UM, IF I COULD HAVE SOME CLARIFICATION, IS GIVEN THE, THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE IS, UM, 0.56. THE, THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE IS 0.5 6 8 3 3 3. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. AND, AND SO THAT'S THE HIGHEST WE CAN GET. THAT'S, THAT'S THE, UH, HIGHEST, UH, HIGHEST RATE WITHOUT OBVIOUSLY GOING TO THE VOTERS. AND THAT REPRESENTS, UH, A 3.5% INCREASE. THAT INCLUDES A 3.5% INCREASE. OKAY. NOT ANYTHING HIGHER THAN THAT. NO. WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GO HIGHER THAN 3.5. AND IF YOU WERE TO, THEN WHAT HAPPENS? UM, THEY WOULD, UM, SEND IT BACK FROM THE COUNTY. SO LIKE WHEN WE PREPARE, WHEN WE PREPARE THIS CALCULATION, WE HAD TO SEND IT TO THE COUNTY, UH, TAX COLLECTOR, THEY REVIEW IT MM-HMM . AND THEN THEY SEND IT BACK. AND WE HAVE TO BE IN AGREEMENT WITH THEIR NUMBER AND OUR NUMBER. AND SO IF IT'S HIGHER, THEY'LL SEND IT BACK AND THEY SAY, NO, YOU'RE WRONG. YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO DO IT A CERTAIN WAY AND THIS IS WHAT YOU DO EVERY YEAR. EVERY YEAR WE CALCULATE THE SAME WAY. SO FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, SINCE 2018, I BELIEVE WHEN THAT CHANGED TO CAP THE 3.5% YES. THE CITY OF HARLINGEN HAS NEVER GONE ABOVE THE 3.5%. NO. NEVER. UM, WE ARE ACTUALLY REQUIRED TO USE, UH, STATE, UH, UH, TEMPLATES THAT, UH, SHOW US HOW TO CALCULATE THE, THE, THE, UM, THE CALCULATION. OKAY. AND SO THAT TEMPLATE EMBEDS THE 3.5, SO IT WON'T LET YOU GO HIGHER THAN THE 3.5. OKAY. JUST IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR THOSE THAT ARE TUNING IN AT HOME BECAUSE SURE. AFTER THIS WORKSHOP, THERE'LL BE LOTS OF, UM, INFORMATION OUT THERE. I WANNA MAKE SURE THEY HAVE ACCURATE INFORMATION FROM, FROM YOU AND WHAT'S YES. WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, WHAT CITIES CAN AND CANNOT DO. ALRIGHT. UNDER STATE LAW. OKAY. AND SO JUST, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT LIKE WHEN WE DO THE CAL, WE DO THE CALCULATION HERE, UH, THE COUNTY REVIEWS IT AND IT'S SUBMITTED AND THEN IT'S ALSO SUBMITTED FURTHER ON TO THE STATE. 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO SUBMIT OUR, OUR MULTIPLE LAYERS OF VERIFICATION. RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ROBERT. WILL WE SUBMIT IT TO THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE? YES. AND THEN THEY REVIEWED ALSO TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S WITHIN THE GUIDELINES? YES. WE, WE SUBMIT IT THROUGH THE TRUTH AND TAXATION WEBSITES. YEAH. RIGHT. AND THEN IF WE ARE ABOVE THE 3.5, THEY HAVE TO SEE PROOF THAT WE DID GO OUT TO THE VOTERS. YES. ACTUALLY, LIKE ON, ON THE NEW FORMS THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO, UH, WE HAVE TO, UH, SUBMIT A LINK, A WORKABLE LINK WHERE THEY CAN GO IN AND, AND SEE ALL OF THE BACKUP FOR HOW WE CAME UP WITH OUR NUMBERS THAT IT'S REQUIRED. OKAY. GREAT. THANK [00:35:01] YOU. YES. SO THE FIRST PAGE IS JUST BASICALLY THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE, THE CURRENT RATE, IF WE WERE TO KEEP IT AS IS AND WHAT THAT REVENUE WOULD GENERATE. AND THEN, UM, JUST A PROPOSED ONE 10TH OF A CENT, UH, DROP IN THE RATE. UM, THE NEXT PAGE WOULD BE IF WE WERE TO INCREASE 1 CENT, 2 CENT, AND 3 CENT, AND WHAT THOSE RESULTS OF, OF THE, UM, REVENUE WOULD RESULT FROM THAT INCREASE. CAN YOU ADVANCE THE SLIDE ALSO TO MATCH? OH, SURE, SURE. PAGE THAT YOU'RE ON, YOU'RE ON PAGE THREE. SO, UM, THAT IS PAGE THREE. SO IF WE WERE TO INCREASE IT BY 1 CENT, 2 CENT AND 3 CENT, THIS WOULD BE THE REVENUE THAT WOULD GENERATE BASED ON A 98% COLLECTION RATE. SO AT 1 CENT WE WOULD COLLECT 30 MILLION 1 25, 9 88, 9 89. AT 2 CENTS, WE WOULD COLLECT 30 MILLION 687, 979. AND AT, UH, 3 CENTS IT WOULD BE AT 31 MILLION 249, 9 68. AND, AND THESE ARE STILL, WOULD STILL BE BELOW THE, THE 3.5%. SO, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PREVIOUS PAGE, UM, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS, IS A 29 5 0 7, UM, IN, IN, UM, TAX RATE, OR WHICH IS 0.5 2 5 0 6 0. SO THE, THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE WOULD WOULD BE 31 30 1000, I MEAN 31,000, SORRY. 31, 939 IS, AM I READING IT RIGHT? YES. THE VOTER POOL RATE WOULD BE 31,000,939. OKAY. AND SO ALL OF THE OTHER ONES WOULD OF COURSE BE BELOW, BE BELOW THAT. 'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE OUR, OUR, OUR CEILING THAT WE COULD GO UP, UH, AT THE MAX OF THE 3.5% INCREASE. AND MAYOR JUST DID THAT CHANGE, DID THE, ISN'T IT? OKAY. ISN'T THAT POINT YOU SWITCH THE, CAN YOU GO BACK ONE? SURE. THAT'S BASED ON A TAXABLE VALUE VALUATION OF $5.7 BILLION. GREAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THO THOSE ARE THE FIRST TWO RATES, UH, DEAL WITH THE, UM, THE TAX RATE. SO, UH, WE JUST LOOK OF COURSE FOR DIRECTION TO SEE WHAT THAT TAX RATE WILL BE SET AT. AND THEN THE, UM, THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, IS ESTIMATIONS OF, OF WHAT IT WOULD BE BASED ON THOSE CENT. SO THE FIRST COLUMN IS, WHAT THIS BUDGET IS, UH, PREPARED ON IS A DECREASE OF A 10TH OF A CENT. UH, AND SO THAT WOULD GENERATE 2 MILLION 69, 748 IN REVENUES OVER EXPENDITURES. IF WE WERE TO GO UP, UH, 1 CENT, IT WOULD GENERATE 2 MILLION 687, 936. UH, IF WE WERE TO GO UP 2 CENTS, IT WOULD GENERATE 3 MILLION 249, 9 25, AND SO ON. THE NEXT ONE WOULD GENERATE 3 MILLION 8 11 9 1 4. AND THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE WOULD GENERATE 4 MILLION 5 0 1 6 4 3. AND THAT'S THE CEILING THAT WE'RE, THAT BY LAW WE'RE LEGALLY ALLOWED TO GO UP TO BEFORE WE GO OUT FOR AN ELECTION. AND JUST AS A REMINDER, UM, THE REVENUE OVER EXPENDITURES DOES NOT INCLUDE ANYTHING FOR THE POLICE CBA, SO WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO DEDUCT THAT OUT. UH, WE HAVE ENTERED IN THE, UH, THE DIFFERENCE IN THE HEALTH INSURANCE. SO THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN FACTORED IN. SO THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF. UM, AND SO AGAIN, THE ONLY, THE ONLY COMPONENT THAT'S MISSING RIGHT NOW IS FOR THE POLICE CBA, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT. RIGHT. SO YOU'D HAVE TO DECREASE IT FROM THE AUTO AMOUNT THAT IT WAS, THAT THEY, THAT THEY, UH, SUBMITTED AND REQUESTED WAS 1.1 MILLION, WHICH WOULD BE HALF OF MM-HMM . YES, IT WOULD, IT WOULD WIPE OUT HALF THE REVENUE, UH, IF WE STICK WITH THE FIRST COLUMN. UM, SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT JUST FOR THE COMMISSION. UM, OBVIOUSLY THE COMMISSION, I THINK IS AWARE, BUT ALSO THE COMMUNITY THAT THESE ARE NOT REAL NUMBERS BECAUSE AT SOME POINT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, COMPENSATE OUR, OUR OFFICERS AND WE NEED TO, UH, THAT NEEDS TO BE REFLECTED IN THE REAL NUMBERS. MM-HMM . AND, AND, UH, WE SHOULD HAVE THAT, WELL, WE SHOULD HAVE A NUMBER, UH, TUESDAY OKAY. OF NEXT WEEK. AND ROBERT, YOU DON'T HAVE A COLUMN FOR IF WE STAYED THE SAME, IT'S, UH, YEAH. OR WHICH ONE IS IT? UH, I DID NOT PUT A COLUMN ON HERE IF WE STAYED THE SAME, BUT IT WOULD BE ABOUT, IT WOULD BE ABOUT COLUMN NUMBER ONE, COMMISSIONER. IT WOULD BE THAT IT, WE STAYED THE SAME, IT WOULD BE, SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO LAST COLUMNS? THAT'S HOW, THAT'S HOW MUCH, UH, THE 26 0 27 6 84, IT WOULD COMPARED TO THE 25 9 7 1, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A ONE 10TH OF A [00:40:02] YEAH. SO, UM, EVERY, EVERY CENT ACCOUNTS FOR APPROXIMATELY 561,989. SO EVERY CENT THAT WE GO UP WILL INCREASE OUR REVENUE BY $561,000 AT 98% COLLECTION RATE. ROBERT? YES. EXCUSE ME. IT'S THE LAST TWO COLUMNS. THAT'S WHAT NETTE JUST ASKED. YEAH. SO MR, IF WE STAYED THE SAME, IT WOULD BE THE LAST TWO COLUMNS. YEAH. SO IF WE STAYED THE SAME, OUR CURRENT RATE IS 5 2 6 0 6 0. MM-HMM. SO THIS IS THE REVENUE THAT WE WOULD COLLECT. RIGHT. OKAY. AND 26 MILLION OF THAT WOULD GO TO OUR M AND O BECAUSE OUR, OUR INS IS WHERE WE PAY OUR DEBT, AND THAT'S SET BY LAW BECAUSE WE HAVE TO REPAY OUR DEBT SERVICE. RIGHT. SO THE ONLY COMPONENT THEN, CHA, THAT'S WHY THESE NUMBERS ALWAYS STAY THE SAME ON THE, IN INS BECAUSE WE GOTTA PAY OUR DEBT. BUT THE NUMBER THAT CHANGES ANYTIME WE CHANGE THE CALCULATION IS WHAT GOES INTO THE M, M AND O, WHICH FUNDS OUR GENERAL FUND. RIGHT. AND SO THIS WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 26 0 2 7 6 8 4 AND 25 9 7 1 4 8 5. THAT'S THE IMPACT THAT IT WOULD HAVE ON THE BUDGET IN, IN THE NEXT SLIDE. OKAY. OF, OF THE 0.001, YOU MM-HMM . SO COULD WE HAVE THE ACTUAL NUMBER FOR THAT? I COULD CALCULATE THAT REAL QUICK. SO IF WE WERE TO STAY WITH THE SAME RATE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, IT WOULD GENERATE AN ADDITIONAL 56,199 COMPARED TO DECREASING IT BY A 10TH OF . 56,000. 56,000. OKAY. YOU WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THE ? SO ANY, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE WITH THE DIFFERENT PRESENTATIONS ON THE TAX RATES? OKAY. SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE GEN, THE, THE REVENUE THAT IT WOULD GENERATE ON, ON THE REVENUES OVER, UNDER EXPENDITURES, DEPENDING ON THE, ON THE RATE THAT WE PICKED. UH, THE NEXT FEW SLIDES ARE ITEMS THAT WERE REQUESTED BY DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE NOT YET BEEN FUNDED, UH, BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION ON, UM, ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, BASED ON OUR TAX RATE. UH, SO STARTING WITH, UH, THE GENERAL FUND, WE HAVE THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS LISTED OUT AND THE ITEMS THAT THEY ARE REQUESTING. SO, AND, AND THE CITY MANAGERS ARE, THEY'RE ASKING FOR COMPUTER EQUIPMENT, THEN WE HAVE SPECIAL PROJECTS. I DUNNO IF YOU WANT ME TO LIST, UH, JUST NAME EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THERE, OR IF YOU WANT TO JUST KIND OF LOOK AT IT. AND THEN WHEN YOU'RE READY TO GO TO THE NEXT SCREEN, I CAN GO TO THE NEXT SCREEN. WE CAN JUST COVER THE, THE DEPARTMENT AND THEN THE TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNT I THINK WOULD BE EASIER. SO CITY MANAGER, UH, REQUESTED $3,500 ADDITIONAL. AND, AND SO WHEN WE PREPARED THE BUDGET, JUST SO YOU KNOW, WHEN WE PREPARED THE BUDGET, WE PREPARED IT ON A STATIC BUDGET, WHICH DIDN'T INCREASE FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR. SO, UH, WE DID TAKE OUT ALL OF THE CAPITAL OUTLAY AND WE LEFT EVERYTHING AS IT WAS IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR. SO THERE WERE REALLY NO INCREASES TO IN, TO ANY OF THE DEPARTMENTS. THE, THE ONLY THING THAT DID HAVE AN ADJUSTMENTS OR THOSE BASED ON THE CBA, UM, RIGHT. YEAH. IF, IF IT WAS LIKE, MANDATORY BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE A CBA AGREEMENT THAT COULD CHANGE LIKE PAYROLL AND THE, THE FIRE, UH, INCREASE IS IN HERE ALREADY, SO THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO YES. THE FIRE IS, IS CALCULATED IN THERE. UH, SO SPECIAL PROJECTS, UH, REQUESTED $3,000 IN EQUIPMENT ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES SERVICES, WHICH IS IN INCLUDES THE, UH, CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE REQUESTED 19,000 INFORMATION TECHNOLOGIES, UH, REQUESTED 243,299. POLICE DEPARTMENT REQUESTED 156,500. OH, ROBERT, JUST REAL QUICK. YES. I'M SORRY. MAYOR. UM, SPECIAL PROJECTS DID REQUEST, UM, AN ADDITIONAL A HUNDRED THOUSAND FOR THE, UM, THE DESKS AND THE COMPUTERS FOR THE, THE, THE BLUEPRINT AND THE MAPS TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM TO REVIEW. THAT IS CORRECT. A HUNDRED THOUSAND. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT WE FUNDED OUT OF CAPITALLY THAT WAS PRESENTED RIGHT. DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS. OKAY. SO, BUT THAT THIS IS JUST THE NON-FUNDED, RIGHT? YES. SO ON IT, UM, ARE ANY OF THESE THINGS I'M LOOKING AT CITY NETWORK, CYBERSECURITY PENETRATION TESTING, LIKE ARE ANY OF THESE THINGS FROM IT, [00:45:01] UM, NECESSARY TO KEEP US SAFE? YES. LIKE ON, ON THE PRESENTATION TESTING WE'RE DOING ALREADY, AND THIS, TO CONTINUE DOING THOSE TESTS SO TO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THE NETWORK IS NOT, UM, VULNERABLE TO CYBERSECURITY ATTACKS. ARE THESE THE EMAILS THAT YOU SEND US THAT SAY THAT THEY'RE RIDICULOUS, LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT NO, NO, NO. THOSE, THOSE ARE, UM, PART OF TRAINING. OKAY. SECURITY TRAINING. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS, UH, WHERE SOMEONE DOES TRY TO PRINT CHANGE OUR NETWORK. OKAY. AND THEN THEY TELL US, OKAY, YOU NEED TO ADJUST HERE AND THERE AND OKAY. SO, BUT THAT'S THE 17,000. OKAY. BUT THIS YOU WOULD CONSIDER, UH, A NECESSITY. YES. UM, I'M TRYING TO DO THIS AT LEAST ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR. WE WERE DOING IT EVERY TWO YEARS. SO, UH, I KIND OF WANTED TO BE PROACTIVE AND DOING MORE OFTEN. AND THE CLOUD DATA STORAGE, WE ALREADY HAVE SUFFICIENT STORAGE, OR IF YOU, WE HAVE STORAGE, BUT IT'S GONNA EXPIRE. THIS IS TO RENEW IT. AND, UH, BY DOING THE FIVE YEARS, WE'RE SAVING ABOUT HALF OF WHAT WE WERE PAID ON A YEARLY BASIS. AND IF IT EXPIRES, THAT MEANS YOU HAVE NO MORE STORAGE SPACE. CORRECT. WHICH MEANS YOU NEED IT. YES. ACTUALLY, WE INCREASING THE SPACE, THE STORAGE, 200 TERABYTES, THIS IS ALLOCATED SPACE OUT THERE IN THE CLOUD. AND THIS IS WHAT SAVED US LAST TIME. MARY KAY. UM, THE, THE FIRST TIME WE WERE HIT YES. BECAUSE WE WERE ABLE TO, WELL, IT WAS ABLE TO REBUILD THE ENTIRE SYSTEM WITHIN A WEEK. THIS LAST TIME, UH, AGAIN, WE DIDN'T LOSE A LOT OF DATA BECAUSE WE HAD IT BACKED UP IN THE CLOUD. AND SO IT WAS ALSO ABLE TO BUILD, BUILD IT BACK UP. AND, UH, WE DIDN'T PAY THE PERPETRATORS A DIME MM-HMM . AND SO WE HAVE ALL OUR DATA BACK. THERE WERE OTHER CITIES IN THE RIO GRANDE VALLEY THAT DID PAY, UM, QUITE A, QUITE A, A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT. AND SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THE, THE COMMISSION WANTS TO CHIME IN, BUT IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION THAT WE FIND A WAY TO INCLUDE THE, UH, DATA STORAGE AND THE CYBERSECURITY TESTING. UM, IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN FOREGO THE UPGRADES OF COMPUTERS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE UNTIL A DIFFERENT BUDGET, UM, THAT MAKES SENSE. UNLESS, OF COURSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE, UH, YOU CAN'T USE THEM AT ALL. THEN IF THERE'S STILL LIFE IN THEM. UH, ON THE, ON THE DELL COMPUTERS MM-HMM . THERE ARE WINDOWS 10, WHICH IS NOT LONGER SUPPORTED BY MICROSOFT. THOSE COMPUTERS CANNOT BE UPGRADED BECAUSE THE HARDWARE IS, IT DOESN'T ALLOW US TO UPGRADE THEM. SO THERE'S 64 COMPUTERS THAT WE NEED TO RE REPLACE, UPGRADE. AND UH, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, THEY'RE OPERATIONAL, BUT, UH, THERE'S SECURITY RISK 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT GETTING, UH, UH, MODIFICATIONS OR UPDATES FROM MICROSOFT. AND THAT, THAT THEY STOPPED DOING THAT I THINK, UH, AUGUST OF EARLY THIS YEAR. SO, SO WE ALREADY, UH, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A NECESSITY, UH, MAYOR, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE, UM, GET THE CLOUD DATA STORAGE. UH, AND THE REASON WE DID INCLUDE IT IN, UH, INITIALLY, UH, WAS BECAUSE WHEN WE WERE COMING UP WITH THE BUDGET, UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE, UH, PROJECTED FORMULA FROM THE COUNTY ON THE AVALOR REVENUE. SO THE BUDGET THAT WE HAD AT THE TIME WAS LOOKING VERY GRIM MM-HMM . AND SO WE HAD TO HOLD EVERYBODY'S STEADY UNTIL WE GOT THIS IN. AND WE JUST GOT THE INFORMATION ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF AGO. YEAH. WELL, WE, I APPLIED FOR A GRANT ON THIS COMPUTERS, BUT WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED, UH, THE RESPONSE. SO IT'S STILL PENDING ON THE STATE FOR THE, FOR THE 64 COMPUTERS THAT THEY COMPUTERS. SO, SO THERE'S GONNA BE, I WILL SAY IT IS BEYOND CRITICAL TO HAVE AN UPDATED COMPUTER BECAUSE IF IT'S NO, MICROSOFT NO LONGER SUPPORTS TENT, THEN WE'RE OPEN TO VIRUSES, TROJANS, AND MALWARE. CORRECT. AND IT'S A SLOWER OPERATING SYSTEM. YOU GOTTA UPDATE WITH THE, WITH THE TIMES THAT THE COMPUTER INDUSTRY UPDATES. CORRECT. SO, UM, I'M SORRY, GABE, WERE YOU GONNA SAY SOMETHING? UH, YES. THERE IS GONNA BE ONE OTHER ITEM THAT WE'RE GONNA RECOMMEND LATER FOR PD, UH, IN, IN THE BUDGET. UM, AGAIN, WE DIDN'T INCLUDE THEM BECAUSE, UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE, THE REVENUE AT THE TIME THAT WE'RE PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. OKAY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY IT WASN'T INCLUDED IN AS A RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. WELL, I I DON'T WANNA JEOPARDIZE SAFETY, UM, WHATSOEVER. SO ANY, I WOULD ASK GABE, UM, FOR THE NEXT, UH, WORKSHOP, IF WE CAN TRY TO INCORPORATE, UH, ENSURE THAT WE'RE COVERING ANYTHING THAT LEAVES US VULNERABLE, UH, IN TERMS OF [00:50:01] IT, AND THAT'S THEIR SPACE. AND FOR YOU TO LOOK AT THAT AND THEN PRESENT SOMETHING TO US, WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT. OKAY. , WHENEVER THERE'S A CYBER ATTACK, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT TDO IS WHO WE WORK WITH, CORRECT? YES, WE HAVE, UH, YEAH, TML WE HAVE, UH, CYBER SECURITY INSURANCE. SO THEY'RE OUR FIRST A POINT OF CONTACT. NO, HE, HE SAID TDO DEPARTMENT EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. UH, WE DON'T, LAST TIME WE HAD ONE, WE, WE REPORT, WE HAD TO REPORT THE A ACCIDENT TO EVERYBODY. DPS, UM, F-B-I-F-B-I IS THE STATE, UH, YES. MM-HMM . AND IN THE PAST, I BELIEVE THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO RECEIVE GRANTS FROM ONE OF THE STATE DEPARTMENTS, WHETHER IT'S TM OR SOMEONE FOR THE CYBERSECURITY PENETRATION TESTING. YES. ACTUALLY, I HAVE IN THE WORKS TO, UH, AN AGREEMENT WITH THE U-U-T-R-G-B, THEY PROVIDE FEE, UH, FREE SERVICES, BUT WE WAITING ON, ON SIGNING THE AGREEMENT, NEED TO GET IT APPROVED BY LEGAL. AND IF THAT'S DONE, THEN WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO, UH, MAKE THIS EXPENDITURE OR YES OR NO, WE CAN SAVE THE 17. YES. THAT'S THE ONLY, THE ONLY ONE. YES. THE OTHER ONES IS HARDWARE THAT WE NEED TO UPGRADE. WELL, WORST CASE SCENARIO, IF WE PUT THE MONEY ASIDE, BUT THEN WE DON'T SPEND IT, THAT'S MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, DOABLE. BUT THERE ARE AVENUES TO SAVE THE MONEY THROUGH THE STATE AND OR . YES. YEAH. I'M LOOKING INTO THAT AND, AND I TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. YES. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH, I MEAN, THAT GOES WITHOUT SAYING ANYTHING THAT IS IN YOUR REQUESTED ITEMS. IF THERE IS A WAY FOR THAT TO BE TAKEN CARE OF THROUGH GRANTS, WORK WITH THE GRANTS DEPARTMENT, BUT, YOU KNOW, ALLOCATE, AND THEN IF IT'S NOT EXPENDED FOR THOSE REASONS, THEN WE CAN RECAPTURE THAT, THAT MONEY. CORRECT. BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE JUST THAT WE ARE SETTING OURSELVES UP TO ENSURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT, UM, SENSE OF, OF, OF PEACE, RIGHT. THAT, THAT THEN NOTHING'S GOING TO INTERFERE, UH, WITH THE OPERATION OF THE CITY OR BE VULNERABLE AND HAVING TO SPEND MORE MONEY MM-HMM . UH, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT INVESTING IN, IN WHAT WE NEED TO. ONE OTHER THING, UH, COMMISSIONER SMAR, COMMISSIONER SMAR, BASED ON YOUR COMMENTS EARLIER, IT SEEMS THAT YOU WANTED TO UPDATE THE COMPUTERS BECAUSE OF WINDOWS 10. IS THAT ACCURATE? OH, IT'S ESSENTIAL. IT'S BEYOND ESSENTIAL. OKAY. SO I CAN NOTATE IT. THANK YOU. YEAH, I THINK JUST IF YOU CAN COME BACK TO ESCAPE TO SEE WHICH ONE, I MEAN, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THERE ARE, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT THESE COMPUTERS ARE BEING USED, UM, AND THEY'RE NOT JUST SITTING IDLY THAT YOU ARE UPDATING COMPUTERS FROM STAFF THAT NEED TO BE UPDATED. CORRECT. WHAT HAPPENS? I, I APOLOGIZE, MAYOR, GO AHEAD. UH, THESE NETWORK SWITCHES, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HELP US DIRECT INTERNET TRAFFIC, CORRECT? YES. UM, THEY'RE PRETTY OLD. I MEAN, THAT WE CAN HOLD ON, BUT WE'RE BEEN PUSHING IT EVERY, EVERY YEAR LAST YEAR AS WHEN DO IT, BUT WE COULDN'T DO IT. UM, THESE ARE THE DATA SWITCHES WHERE EVERYBODY CONNECTS AND THE INFORMATION RUNS THROUGH ALL THE A THOUSAND DIFFERENT DEVICES THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE CITY. UM, THEY'RE PRETTY OLD, UM, TRYING TO REPLACE THEM WITH NEW DEVICES THAT HAVE AI IN IT. AND THAT WILL HELP US BETTER TROUBLESHOOT THE, THE PROBLEMS ON THE NETWORK. IT WILL SEND US ALERTS AHEAD OF TIME WHEN A PROBLEM IS, IS OCCURRING. AND THIS INCLUDES FIRE AND POLICE, ALL THE SWITCHES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. SO FOR OUR BENEFIT, WOULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT A NETWORK SWITCH IS? UM, ALL THE, ALL THE DEVICES ARE CONNECTED THROUGH A WIRE. THEY'RE CONNECTED TO THIS SWITCH. WE HAVE DIFFERENT SWITCHES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. EVERY NETWORK IN THE CITY, EVERY BUILDING HAS A, A NETWORK SWITCH. AND THAT'S WHERE WE ALL INTERCONNECT AND SEND DATA BACK AND FORTH FROM ONE LOCATION TO ANOTHER OR, OR GET OUR EMAILS, BROWSE THE INTERNET. SO EVERY NOW AND THEN IT'S ESSENTIAL TO UPGRADE, CORRECT. YEAH, THEY'RE WORKING, BUT THEY'RE ALL, I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN REPLACING SOME OF THESE SWITCHES WITH REUSE SWITCHES. UH, I RATHER BUY NEW ONES THAT HAVE MORE CYBERSECURITY FEATURES AND, UH, FASTER COMPUTER, FASTER BANDWIDTH, UH, ON THOSE. BUT IT WOULD, SO THE PHRASE, UH, THE CHAIN IS ONLY AS STRONG AS IT WEAK AS ITS WINK WEAKEST LINK. THAT WOULD BE THE SAME THING HERE, CORRECT? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE LIKE A BOTTLENECK. UH, LIKE YOU, YOU CAN HAVE A FASTER COMPUTER, BUT THE SWITCH ONLY YOU CAN HANDLE A HUNDRED MIX. THAT'S HOW FAST YOU CAN GO. THESE NEW SWITCHES WILL ALLOW US TO GO, [00:55:01] UH, HAVE 10 GIGS. WE ARE PREPARING FOR THE FUTURE ALSO AT THE SAME TIME. OKAY. WELL, LET'S, UM, JUST FOR TIME, UH, EFFICIENCY, WE KNOW THAT THESE AREN'T ACCURATE NUMBERS JUST YET ANYHOW, BUT IF YOU CAN COME BACK TO US WITH THE ESSENTIALS AND THEN WORK WITH GABE AND THEN PRESENT THAT SO THAT WAY WE CAN ENSURE THAT THE COMMISSION CAN, CAN HAVE A, A LOOK AT THIS WITH, WITH A FRESH EYES ON WHAT'S REQUIRED, WHAT WE ABSOLUTELY NEED, AND THEN THE ARGUMENTS ON WHY. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UM, JUST A, A QUICK COMMENT, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION ON, ON THE CITY CYBERSECURITY PENETRATION, YOU SUGGESTED THAT, UH, IF WE, IF WE DO HAVE A GRANT THAT WE ARE APPLYING FOR, THAT IS OUTSTANDING, AND, AND YOU DO DECIDE TO PUT THIS IN THE BUDGET JUST IN CASE THERE ARE SOME CONSIDERATIONS FOR SUPPLANTING. SO IF YOU PUT SOMETHING IN YOUR BUDGET AND THEN YOU GET A GRANT FOR IT, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SUPPLEMENT A GRANT, BUT YOU CANNOT SUPPLANT. SO WHAT, WHAT THAT WOULD BE WOULD BE SUPPLANTING, UH, THAT GRANT THAT, THAT, UM, THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO GET, RIGHT? SO IF WE'RE APPLYING FOR A GRANT, IF CAN ADD TO IT AND SUPPLEMENT MM-HMM . BUT YOU CANNOT SUPPLANT OR USE YOUR GENERAL FUND MONIES TO REPLACE, UH, UH, INSTEAD OF BUYING IT THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND, NOW YOU'RE SAYING, OKAY, I'M NOT GONNA BUY IT THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND EVEN THAT BUDGETED FOR IT AND, AND BUY IT. UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT HE'S RECOMMENDING IS THAT, MAYOR, WE NOT FUNDED RIGHT NOW. RIGHT. SO I WOULD SAY, UM, FOR THE NEXT MEETING, IF YOU CAN PROVIDE US WHEN THE ANTICIPATED, UM, DATE FOR THE GRANT, SO THAT WAY WE KNOW, AND ALSO, UM, I GUESS THE LIFE OF, OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE CLOUD STORAGE, WHEN IS THAT GOING TO EXPIRE? GIVE US A MORE OF A TIMELINE SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. THANK YOU FOR THAT, ROBERT. OF COURSE. MARK, YOU'RE FROM JERSEY CHIN? I'M FROM NEW YORK. OH, SORRY. SORRY TO INSULT YOU. DIFFERENT STATE. I'M TIRED. UH, CHIN I, ISN'T THAT YIDDISH? CHINI CHIN? I THINK IT IS. DON'T CHIN ON THE COMPUTER SYSTEM. . ALL RIGHT. LET'S, LET'S, LIKE, LET'S TRY TO FOLLOW THE RULES AND WAIT TO BE RECOGNIZED AND LET'S KEEP EVERYTHING RELEVANT. I AGREE WITH YOU WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT FOR EFFICIENCY PURPOSES, IF WE CAN JUST SURE. MOVE FORWARD. THE LAST DEPARTMENT WE LEFT OFF ON IS POLICE DEPARTMENT. UH, THEY'VE REQUESTED 156,500 ENGINEERING, UH, REQUESTED 40,350 PARKS REQUESTED, 15,000 SWIMMING POOLS, 30,000, THE LIBRARY, 24,000 PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT, 14,100, UH, CODE COMPLIANCE, 24,400, UH, BUILDING INSPECTIONS, 56,000, UM, DOLLARS. UH, AND SO THE TOTAL FOR ALL THOSE DEPARTMENTS IS 6 29 1 49. AND THESE ARE ONE TIME NON-FUNDED NON-CAPITAL ITEMS. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT LARGE ENOUGH TO BE CAPITALIZED, BUT, UM, BUT THEY WERE NOT FUNDED ANYWAYS. UM, THE NEXT ITEM ARE, UM, FOR THE TENNIS COURTS. THESE ARE THE SPECIAL REVENUE. THE FIRST ONES WERE FOR THE GENERAL FUND. THE TENNIS COURTS IS REQUESTING 15,000. THAT WOULD BE FOR BLEACHERS AT HEB, TENNIS AND SOLAR LIGHTS. LET'S TAKE A PAUSE REAL QUICK, ROBERT. SURE. UM, COMMISSIONER LOPEZ, CAN WE GO BACK TO CODE COMPLIANCE PAGE SLIDE SEVEN, LAST ITEM CERTIFICATION FOR CODE COMPLIANCE OFFICERS AND SUPERVISORS. CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH THAT CERTIFICATION FOR CODE COMPLIANCE? UH, HE WANTS A WALKTHROUGH OF THE CERTIFICATION FOR THE CO COMPLIANCE. UH, YES. SO ESSENTIALLY THIS IS PART OF A CERTIFICATION FOR PAY PROGRAM THAT IS BEING PROPOSED. AND SO IT'S TECHNICALLY FOR ALL DIVISIONS. SO THIS WILL BE THE AMOUNT THAT IS ESTIMATED THAT IT WILL COST JUST FOR THE CODE ENFORCEMENT DIVISION. SO WHAT MM-HMM . WALK ME THROUGH THAT. IT'S A LITTLE SLOWER. SO, UH, SO THIS IS A, WE HAVE A DRAFT, UH, GUIDELINES TO CREATE A PROGRAM. IT'S CALLED CERTIFICATION FOR PAY PROGRAM. YEAH. OKAY. AND SO IT WILL BE ESSENTIALLY, UM, ALLOWING THE EMPLOYEE TO OBTAIN CERTAIN CERTIFICATIONS. AND SO FOR EACH CERTIFICATION OF DANE, THEY'RE GONNA RECEIVE LIKE A MONTHLY STIPEND. AND SO OBVIOUSLY THAT'S GONNA BE CONTINGENT UPON THEM, UM, YOU KNOW, STAYING ACTIVE WITH THE CERTIFICATION. AND SO IT'S BEING SOMETHING THAT IS BEING OFFERED TO CO COMPLIANCE, BUILDING INSPECTIONS. AND, UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY THAT'S, THAT'S MOSTLY IT. MM-HMM . AND ARE THERE CERTIFICATIONS THAT ARE CODE COMPLIANCE OFFICERS NEED TO DO, NEED TO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO EFFICIENTLY DO THEIR JOB? YES. SO FOR INSTANCE, FOR THE SUPERVISOR FOR, HE ACTUALLY WEARS TWO HATS. SO HE'S DOING THE CODE COMPLIANCE, HE'S THE SUPERVISOR, HE'S A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER AND [01:00:01] OR CERTIFIED. AND SO HE'S ALSO DOING ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE AS WELL. SO THERE'S CERTAIN CERTIFICATIONS THAT IT WILL BE BENEFICIAL FOR THE CITY FOR HIM TO OBTAIN. AND THEN THAT WAY IT WILL BENEFIT HIM FINANCIALLY AND ALSO THE CITY BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE SOMEONE THAT IS, YOU KNOW, HAS ADDITIONAL TRAINING WITH THAT ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, HAT THAT HE WEARS. MM-HMM . THAT REQUIRES SIGNATURES TO THE STATE TO TCEQ. YES, ABSOLUTELY. ALL THAT STUFF, YES. AND OKAY. AND SO, AND, AND AGAIN, WITH CO COMPLIANCE, THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE, RIGHT. BUT BUILDINGS AS WELL. UM, SO WE HAVE STAFF THAT ARE BASICALLY REVIEWING, YOU KNOW, PLANS FOR, FOR COMPLIANCE WITH BUILDING CODES. AND SO IT WILL BE BENEFICIAL FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE ICC CERTIFICATIONS, YOU KNOW, TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING AN ADEQUATE JOB. OKAY. SO WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS ALREADY IN PLACE, ANNA? NO. NO. OKAY. AND SO GIVEN, UM, HAVE YOU TAKEN INTO, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY CLEARLY I THINK THIS IS GREAT AND IF IT'S, IF THEY NEED THE CERTIFICATION, IT'S NOT SO MUCH, UM, PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT SO THAT THEY CAN GET PAID MORE. IT'S SO THAT THEY ARE CERTIFIED TO DO THE WORK THAT THEY ARE DOING. YES, EXACTLY. AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO. SO HAVE WE TAKEN THAT INTO ACCOUNT IN TERMS OF REOCCURRING EXPENSES IN PAYROLL ON WHAT THE, THOSE, UM, STIPENDS WILL BE? SO THE AMOUNTS THAT THAT, THAT WERE PROVIDED IS BASICALLY A PROJECTION THAT THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT'S GONNA COST EVERY YEAR MORE OR LESS. SO THESE ARE NOT, 'CAUSE THESE ARE UNDER ONE TIME YES. FOR THE FISCAL YEAR. SO THAT'S NOT ACCURATE. NO. IT'S JUST A PROJECTION. OKAY. AND THAT'S, THAT ASSUMES THAT EVERYBODY'S GONNA RUN AND, YOU KNOW, APPLY AND BECOME CERTIFIED. OF COURSE. YES. AND WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO ENSURE BECAUSE THEY NEED TO IS WHAT I'M HEARING. YES. SO THEN NOT ONLY IS THIS A, UM, FOR THIS BUDGET, BUT WE NEED TO ENSURE MOVING FORWARD IT'S A RE A REOCCURRING 'CAUSE WE'RE GOING TO ABSORB THAT COST 'CAUSE IT'S NECESSARY. YES, YES. OKAY. AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION, UM, I'M SORRY, DID YOU HAVE ANY, ARE YOU NO, I JUST GONNA SAY THAT I SUPPORT THIS AND THE OVERTIME FOR CODE COMPLIANCE LATELY, I'VE BEEN RELYING ON YOU GUYS A LOT LATELY YES. WITH ALLEYS AND SO MM-HMM . UM, YEAH. OKAY. SO THAT WAS GONNA BE MY KIND OF QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE OVERTIME. UM, DO YOU, DID YOU MAKE A REQUEST FOR ANOTHER OFFICER INSTEAD OF OVERTIME? WE DID NOT MAKE A REQUEST FOR, UH, FOR ANOTHER OFFICER. WE DID MAKE A REQUEST ON BEHALF OF THE DEPARTMENT FOR A ANOTHER PLANNER OR SENIOR PLANNER, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH YOU WANNA FUND US. MM-HMM . AND SO THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NEEDED. AND THEN ANOTHER PLANS EXAMINER. REMEMBER LAST YEAR I ASKED YOU ABOUT CODE AND MM-HMM . AND IT WAS A CONCERN OF WHETHER WE NEEDED ANOTHER, UH, ANOTHER, UH, EMPLOYEE. YES. AND SO WE STILL DON'T NEED ANOTHER EMPLOYEE. I MEAN, SO I'M LOOKING AT THE NEEDS BASED ON THE DEPARTMENT, NOT NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, ONE DIVISION OR THE OTHER ONE. AND SO, UH, IF YOU, UM, CONSIDER FUNDING ALL THREE POSITIONS FOR THE DEPARTMENT, WE WILL WELCOME A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER AS WELL. I KNOW THAT SOUNDS, UH, A CONVENIENT ANSWER, BUT, UM, WE DO NEED MORE ASSISTANCE THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR FOR THOSE TWO OTHER DIVISIONS. OKAY. I JUST, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE FUNDED THE EQUIPMENT TO TRY TO HELP THEM YEAH. UH, WITH, WITH THE PLANS EXAMINERS AND THE BUILDING PERMIT, BECAUSE THAT, THAT IS A, NOT THAT THIS DEPARTMENT ISN'T, BUT THAT'S A REVENUE GENERATING. ABSOLUTELY. AND, AND IT ALSO HELPS MAINTAIN THE GROWTH OF THE CITY. SO THAT'S, I THINK WE NEED TO ALSO LOOK AT, UM, AND JUST, YOU KNOW, I'LL SAY THIS BRIEFLY AND THEN WE CAN MAYBE REVISIT IT AT THE NEXT WORKSHOP. UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE MAIN COMPLAINTS THAT I GET ARE, ARE CODE ENFORCEMENT TYPE OF COMPLAINTS. OKAY. AND SO QUALITY OF LIFE IS REALLY IMPORTANT. AND I THINK WE ARE AT THIS STAGE NOW A COUPLE YEARS IN THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON, UM, BEAUTIFYING OUR, OUR COMMUNITY. AND SO WE ONLY DO THAT WITH EN ENFORCEMENT. SO AS WE LOOK AT THE BUDGET, WE NEED TO SEE IF WE ARE A, IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T NEED SOMEONE, THEN YOU DON'T NEED SOMEONE. AND THEN WE NEED TO SEE WHAT THE PLAN IS, HOW ARE WE BEING PROACTIVE, UM, WITH THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST YEAR, BUT I STILL HAVEN'T SEEN, UM, AND I'M SURE YOU'RE DOING IT. UM, BUT IF YOU CAN SHARE THAT WITH, WITH ME, SO THAT WAY I UNDERSTAND LIKE HOW WE'RE BEING, HOW WE'RE BEING PROACTIVE IN TERMS OF, UM, UTILIZING AND BEING AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE THEY DO WEAR MULTIPLE HATS. MM-HMM . UM, BUT IF YOU, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO COVER THE CITY, YOU NEED ANOTHER CODE, UH, CODE OFFICER. I, I'D, I'D LIKE TO NOTE THAT. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. WE DO NEED 'EM. . WELL, I'M JUST SAYING BECAUSE I, I KNOW, I'M SURE YOU GET COMPLAINTS, MAYOR. YES. YOU, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY HERE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE, UM, ISSUE. AND, AND, AND, AND, AND THE REASON WHY IT'S A NUMBER ONE ISSUE FOR [01:05:01] THE RESIDENT IS BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM. 'CAUSE THEY SEE IT EVERY DAY. MM-HMM . OR IT'S IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, OR IT'S, YOU KNOW, A HOME THAT'S ABANDONED OR IT'S A, UH, YOU KNOW, A BUSINESS THAT'S NOT KEEPING UP. UH, OR IT'S, YOU KNOW, UM, I JUST, TODAY I HAD SOMEONE TELL ME THAT THEY THINK THAT THERE IS A, UH, IN YOUR DISTRICT OPENING A, LIKE A BED AND BREAKFAST IN THE, IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD. RIGHT. UH, SO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, UH, WE NEED TO HAVE SUFFICIENT STAFF TO TAKE CARE OF IT. AND AS THE CITY GROWS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE EVEN MORE, UH, CONCERNS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS. SO I JUST THINK, I THINK IT, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER FOR THE COMMISSION TO DO ITS JOB, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DELEGATE AND WE DO THAT TO YOU. BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF, IT'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE A, I WILL SAY THAT, SO THE, THE WAY THAT THE CITY IS GEOGRAPHICALLY, RIGHT, LIKE HOW THE ORGANIZATION IS, IS UM, I GUESS HOW IT, HOW IT'S LAID OUT. UM, WE DO NEED ANOTHER CODE ENFORCEMENT FROM THAT STANDPOINT BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME AREAS THAT ARE LIKE SPARE. THERE'S NOTHING, RIGHT? MM-HMM . AND THEN WE HAVE OTHER DISTRICTS THAT ARE LIKE MORE ORGANIZED MM-HMM . AND SO, AND WE HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE BASICALLY, THEY HAVE NOT THE SAME AREA TO, OR THE SAME GROUND TO COVER, RIGHT? SO FROM THAT, FROM THAT UM, POINT OF VIEW, YES, WE WILL DEFINITELY NEED MORE HELP. UM, SO WE CAN BE A LITTLE, UM, MORE PROACTIVE. MM-HMM . AND SO I, I WILL SAY THOUGH THAT THE PRIORITY THIS FISCAL YEAR HAS BEEN ON BUILDINGS. AND SO, UM, SAME AS PLANNING, TRYING TO, UM, FOCUS ON, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER, THE POLICY ASPECTS, LIKE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THAT WAS A BIG PUSH. MM-HMM . WE'RE WORKING ON THE ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS. AND SO CODE ENFORCEMENT, UH, IS GONNA BE DEFINITELY THE PRIORITY NEXT FISCAL YEAR. MM-HMM . AND SO, UM, SO I THINK IF WE DO GIVE US A POSITION, WE CAN DEFINITELY TARGET THAT MORE, UH, PROACTIVE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND, UM, EVEN SPECIFICALLY LIKE TO ADDRESS THOSE TYPE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, BETTER BREAKFAST IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD, UM MM-HMM . SO, OKAY. MAYOR, JUST AS AN FYI, IF WE DO ADD ANOTHER POSITION, WE'LL NEED TO ADD ANOTHER TRUCK THAT THE COMPUTER. YES. UM, SO THERE'RE GONNA BE OTHER, UH, ARTILLERY CHART, UM, UH, SERVICES AND EXPENSES THAT WE NEED TO INCUR. SO IF WE DO SUBMIT FOR ANOTHER POSITION, WE NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR THOSE OTHER EXPENSES. EXPENSES THAT WE'RE GOING TO UNDERTAKE. YEAH. SO JUST SO THAT WE CAN FUND THAT NOW AND NOT HAVE TO COME BACK DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR TO, I GET IT. I THINK WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE ARE LOOKING AT IT COMPREHENSIVELY, BUT I ALSO WANT THE COMMISSION TO, WHEN THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, UM, LOOKING AT WHAT'S, WHAT THE PRIORITY IS IN THEIR DISTRICT, UM, TO TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT TAX RATE IS GONNA HAVE TO MATCH THE NEEDS AND SO THAT THIS INFORMATION IS IMPORTANT TO US SO WE CAN MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. HOW MANY CODE OFFICERS DO YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW? SO WE HAVE FIVE. FIVE SOUNDS LIKE ONE PER DISTRICT. IT IS MAYOR, YES. UM, I KNOW THAT MANY IN MY DISTRICT, I, I GET MANY CALLS. I THINK JUST TODAY I GOT SEVERAL CALLS ON THE COMPLIANCE, THE CODE COMPLIANCE AND THE CERTIFICATION FOR CODE COMPLIANCE OFFICERS. AND ALONG WITH, UM, THE SUPERVISION OF, OF THOSE CO THE CODE COMPLIANCE OFFICERS IS SO, SO NECESSARY. BUT MOST OF, LIKE YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU GET THIS PHONE CALLS IN, IN THE MIDDLE OF A, OF A DISTRICT OF MINER, IT'S OUT IN THE AND OUT. MINE IS DIFFERENT. MINE IS IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE. THERE, THERE'S MATTRESSES OR TIRES AND THERE'S CONSTANTLY I'M GETTING THOSE PHONE CALLS THAT THERE'S TIRES AND MATTRESSES AND SO FORTH. SO I, I THINK THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT. SO I'M DEFINITELY FOR, FOR THE, THE SUPPORT OF, UM, OF HELPING OUT THAT DEPARTMENT. DEFINITELY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER, UM, COMMENTS, MS. PEREZ? SO, SO WE ALL AGREE ON, OR MOST OF US AGREE ON THE, FOR SURE, AT LEAST THE OVERTIME. AM I READING THAT OR NOT? I THINK THAT I SUPPORT IT. I SUPPORT BOTH ITEMS. NOW YOU SUPPORT ITEMS. OKAY. WELL, I WOULD SAY THAT IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER, UH, INDIVIDUAL, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE OVERTIME, BUT WOULD IT BE BEST TO START WITH THE OVERTIME AND SEE HOW IT WORKS WITH THE OVERTIME IF THEY CAN BEFORE WE ADD SOMEBODY ELSE? I DON'T KNOW WHAT, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT WE CAN AFFORD. CLEARLY. I'M GONNA SAY THAT IS THE, THE OVERTIME, TYPICALLY WE'VE BEEN USING THAT FOR LIKE THE CLEANUP EVENTS AND YOU KNOW, USUALLY ON A SATURDAY, THAT'S OKAY. PETS CAN TAKE OVER THAT I ALREADY AM. SO IT'S ALL GOOD . AND SO, UM, SO ANYWAYS, I THINK LAW ENFORCEMENT, AGAIN, ALSO LIKE THAT'S, UH, AN INCENTIVE FOR AN EMPLOYEE TO CONTINUE, YOU KNOW, OBTAINING ADDITIONAL CERTIFICATIONS. THE LICENSE IS JUST LIKE STEP ONE TO KIND OF BASICALLY KEEP YOUR JOB. AND SO THERE'S ADDITIONAL, UM, YOU KNOW, CERTIFICATIONS AVAILABLE. OKAY. HAVING HEARD THAT, I THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT. THOSE ARE ADDITIONAL, I THINK EVERYBODY HAS THEM. UM, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DO. RIGHT. AND I THINK YOU DO DISTRICT BASHES IN EACH OF THE DISTRICTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, TRASH BASH, I THINK THEY'RE CALLED. AND SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT THAT WORKS. BUT JUST STILL BRING, BRING THAT TO US. AND THEN, UM, AGAIN, LIKE THIS IS, THIS IS JUST THE FIRST WORKSHOP. WE DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA, I KNOW EVERY DEPARTMENT'S LIKE, WELL, WE NEED SOMEBODY TOO . UM, BUT WE NEED TO SEE SHANNON'S. YES. UH, WE NEED TO, [01:10:01] YOU KNOW, WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS FOR US TO REALLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE RESIDENT AND THEIR POINT OF VIEW, UM, AND WHAT MATTERS TO THEM. AND THAT'S, UH, A BIG ONE. OKAY. SORRY FOR THAT DEVIATION. UM, NOT AT ALL. UH, WE LEFT OFF ON BUILDING INSPECTION. SO WE'RE, UH, WE, WE JUST DID THE TENNIS COURTS, WHICH THEY WERE ADDING THE BLEACHER THAT, UH, AT LI TENNIS CENTER AND FOR SOLAR LIGHTS. MM-HMM . UH, THE NEXT ITEM IS THE MATERIALS MANAGEMENT, UH, REQUESTING 318,700. MAYOR, UH, COMMISSIONER LOPEZ. I APOLOGIZE. CAN WE JUMP BACK TO PAGE EIGHT? SURE. PAGE EIGHT. ANA, IF YOU CAN POP BACK UP HERE. CER, COULD YOU WALK ME THROUGH CERTIFICATION FOR PAY BUILDINGS DIVISION? I MEAN, IT'S THE SAME CONCEPT. UH, I ACTUALLY HAVE A DRAFT OF THE POLICY. WE CAN, I CAN SEND THAT TO YOU ALL. AND ALSO THE PROJECTIONS AS WELL. I MEAN, THAT MIGHT BE EASIER SO YOU CAN FOLLOW WHICH CERTIFICATIONS WE'RE PROPOSING AND THEN THE MEMBERSHIPS. SO BASICALLY, I, I'M SURPRISED ABOUT THAT ONE. UM, SO WE BASICALLY JUST INCREASED THE BUDGET A LITTLE BIT. UM, WE DO HAVE SOME, UH, FUNDING ALREADY AVAILABLE FROM, YOU KNOW, AND SO, UM, THAT'S JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, ICC, ONCE YOU BECOME CERTIFIED, YOU NEED TO DO A LOT OF CONTINUING EDUCATION CLASSES AND GIVE YOUR CREDITS MM-HMM . AND SO, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF THAT. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOUNT FOR THOSE THINGS. AND THEN ALSO MAKING SURE THAT WE ALSO ARE PART OF, LIKE, HARLINGEN WASN'T UNTIL RECENTLY, UM, OR AT LEAST IT STOPPED FOR A WHILE. WE WERE NOT MEMBERS OF LIKE, LET'S SAY THE, UM, LIKE THE BUILDING OFFICIALS ASSOCIATION, THE LOCAL CHAPTER. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF CONTINUE. WHAT'S THE VALUE OF THAT? THEY HAVE A LOT OF WORKSHOPS. SO WE, THERE WAS, UH, ACTUALLY A WORKSHOP LAST MONTH. AND SO SOME OF OUR STAFF ATTENDED AND IT WAS, UM, I DON'T REMEMBER THE TOPIC, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, UM, RELATED TO THE ENERGY CODE. SO JUST THINGS LIKE THAT, I THINK THAT'S BENEFICIAL. AND DO WE GET HOURS FOR THOSE? UH, YES. WORKSHOPS? YES. OKAY. WE HAD TO BALANCE A BUDGET IN YOUR DEPARTMENT. HERE WAS JUST, UH, VICTIM OF WHAT WE HAD TO DO TO GET US TO, UH, PRESENTABLE BUDGET. SO, AND, AND SO AS FAR AS THE DRINKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TOO, UM, WE WANNA, WE ACTUALLY ARE HAVING OUR FIRST KIND OF LUNCH AND LEARN, UH, TOMORROW. UH, SO WE'RE GONNA BE COVERING, UH, SONY REGULATIONS, SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS AND ADDRESSING FOR STAFF. SO WHENEVER, LIKE, WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW STAFF, SO WHENEVER SOMEONE COMES IN AND HAS LIKE QUESTIONS RELATED TO THOSE AREAS, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A PRESENTATION. SO STAFF IS THE ONE THAT GONNA BE DOING THE PRESENTATION, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME REFRESHMENTS AND SO WE WANNA CONTINUE DOING THAT. WE CAN NEVER CLOSE. 'CAUSE WE ALL HAVE ALWAYS HAVE CUSTOMERS, SO THEY, ONLY TIME THAT WE CAN DO THAT SOMETIMES IS DURING LUNCH. SO IT'LL BE VERY BENEFICIAL FOR US TO HAVE THAT. IT'S NOT A, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE. IT'S MORE OF A NECESSITY TO CONTINUE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE TRAINING STAFF. MM-HMM . THANK YOU. AND, AND JUST AS A REMINDER, AGAIN, MORE REOCCURRING COST. MM-HMM . OKAY. UH, THE NEXT ITEM ARE ONE TIME NON-FUNDED CAPITAL OUTLAY, UH, ITEMS, UM, HUMAN RESOURCES REQUESTED 18,000, UH, INFORMATION TECHNOLOGIES, 25,500 POLICE DEPARTMENT, 1 MILLION, 24,000. AND THIS IS THE ITEM THAT GABE BROUGHT UP ON THE, UH, ADDITIONAL NINE PATROL VEHICLES TO BE ADDED TO THE LEASE, WHICH IS 153,000. RIGHT. GONNA, WE'RE GONNA ASK REQUEST THAT THIS BE ADDED. SO, UM, THIS IS TO, TO KEEP, UH, THE FLEET RUNNING AND OPERATIONAL FOR PD. UM, AND I THINK GOING TO A LEASE SYSTEM HAS BEEN VERY BENEFICIAL, UH, TO THE DEPARTMENT. SO WE'D LIKE TO MAINTAIN THAT. I THINK THOSE VEHICLES ARE ALL OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES. RIGHT? I'D LIKE THE NUMBERS. I BELIEVE THESE, THESE WERE PART OF THE LEASE THAT ALREADY EXISTS. UM, THEY JUST DIDN'T HAVE IT IN THE BUDGET FOR THE NINE. I THINK THEY HAD FOR, WAS IT LIKE 10 OR, UM, SO YES, ORIGINALLY, UM, THOSE NINE PATROL VEHICLES TO BE ADDED TO THE LEASE, UH, THAT WAS NOT BUDGETED ON THIS LAST YEAR, UH, LAST YEAR OR WE'RE, I'M SORRY, THIS FISCAL YEAR, THIS FISCAL YEAR FOR THE LEASE, UH, WAS $286,000. CURRENTLY IT SITS AT ABOUT $438,000. SO THAT AMOUNT WOULD SUPPLEMENT THE VEHICLES THAT WE HAVE NOW, UH, WHICH IS A TOTAL OF 19, UH, LEASE VEHICLES. THREE OF 'EM ARE MARKED, UH, HIGHWAY TRUCKS. TWO OF THEM ARE ADMIN VEHICLES, AND THE OTHER 14 ARE PATROL VEHICLES. THOSE ARE CURRENTLY ON 48 MONTH LEASE. UM, I BELIEVE WE'RE ABOUT, SO 2024, UH, WAS THE BEGINNING OF THE GUESS THE FIRST ONES. [01:15:01] SO WE'RE ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH THOSE 48 MONTHS, UH, ON THE LEASE. UH, WHAT WE FOUND IS, UM, A DPS IS ON LEASE. A LOT OF THESE OTHER AGENCIES ARE GOING TO LEASE BECAUSE, UH, BEING A CONSUMABLE FLEET, UH, WE, WE HIT THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND MILE MARK, WE HIT THE FOUR OR FIVE YEAR MARK AND THE MAINTENANCE JUST SHOOTS THROUGH THE ROOF. UH, WE'RE HAVING THOSE PROBLEMS ON OUR 600 SERIES TAHOES AND OUR EXPLORERS THAT ARE ABOUT SIX YEARS OLD NOW. UH, SO WE'RE HOPING TO GET RID OF ABOUT 9, 10, 12 UNITS THIS YEAR, UH, BECAUSE THE, THE COST OF MAINTENANCE ON THOSE HAS GONE UP CURRENTLY. UM, I BELIEVE WE HAVE, SORRY, LEMME DIG THROUGH MY NOTES HERE. JUST WANNA GET YOU ACCURATE NUMBERS. OH, HERE WE ARE. SO THERE'S 17 MARKED PATROL VEHICLES IN THE SHOP RIGHT NOW. SIX OF THOSE ARE AT THE CITY SHOP, 11 OF THOSE ARE OUTSOURCED. UM, AND THE MAJORITY OF THESE ARE 2020, UH, AND 20 18, 20 19 MODELS. SO, UH, BEING THAT THOSE UNITS ARE 24 7 UNITS, UH, THEY'RE IDLING HIGH, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST RUN INTO THE GROUND. UH, SO ULTIMATELY AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT WE'RE FINDING, UH, POURING INTO THE RESEARCH ON THE, ON THESE LEASES, UH, LOOKING AT A THREE YEAR LEASE TERM, YOU CATCH THE MAJORITY OF THAT WARRANTY WINDOW. AND, UH, ULTIMATELY THE, THE GOAL IS TO TAKE SOME OF THE PRESSURE OFF, UH, THE CITY SHOP, UH, AND HAVE THOSE VEHICLES OPERATIONAL. UH, MORE TIMES THAN NOT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ABOUT 31 MARKED PATROL VEHICLES ON PATROL AND, UH, SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, HALF OF THOSE ARE SITTING AT THE SHOP. AND SO AS WE, UH, THANKS TO THE, THE COPS GRANT AND, AND THE CITY FOR, UH, ADOPTING THESE ADDITIONAL OFFICERS THAT WE'RE HIRING, UH, WE'RE SEEING, UH, OF COURSE THE EQUIPMENT, THE VEHICLES PLAYING CATCH UP AS FAR AS, UH, IN TERMS OF STAFFING THOSE PERSONNEL. AND, UH, THAT'S WHY ON, ON THE LEASE, UH, ON, ON THE LEASING IT, IT MAKES SENSE FOR, FOR PATROL VEHICLES JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THEY'RE USED AND THE LIFE OF THOSE VEHICLES. SO ULTIMATELY, UH, THAT'S WHAT THAT 153,000 UH, MARKS. UM, AS FAR AS SOME OF THE OTHER VEHICLES, I KNOW THE CHIEF, HE, HE WANTS TO PRIORITIZE, UM, THE, THOSE PATROL UNITS. AND SO LOOKING AT SOME OF THE OTHER NUMBERS THERE, UH, THAT'S WHERE ULTIMATELY, UM, WE WOULD LOOK TO TRY TO, THE, THE MAJORITY OF THOSE UNITS BE MARKED PATROL UNITS BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, THE COST TO, TO, UH, PURCHASE AND OUTFIT THOSE UNITS, WE'RE TALKING A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS NOW OR MORE. AND, UH, SO WITH THE, WITH THE LEASE, WE'RE ABLE TO, UH, ESPECIALLY AT A THREE YEAR LEASE TERM, YOU STILL HAVE SOME EQUITY IN THAT VEHICLE WHEN YOU'RE READY TO TURN AROUND AND GET THE NEW ONE AND THEN YOU JUST CONTINUE BECAUSE WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA NEED THOSE VEHICLES. SO THEN WHY IS THAT, THAT THERE ARE 1, 2, 3, 4, 4 ITEMS DOWN MM-HMM . OR MAYBE FIVE, IT HAS PATROL UNITS. WHY ARE THOSE PATROL UNITS NOT INCLUDED IN THE NINE? IN THE NINE? SO THESE ARE, UH, IN, I'M NOT SURE ON, THAT WOULDN'T BE A ONE TIME. THIS WOULD BE A REQUEST FOR VEHICLES, UH, TO GO ON THE LEASE. SO THAT WOULD BE A REOCCURRING, WHAT WHAT I ASKED THE CHIEF WAS THAT THOSE WERE NOT FOR PATROL, BUT FOR DETECTIVES COMMAND STAFF. AND SO I WANTED TO PRIORITIZE PATROL UNITS FIRST. AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT HE TOLD ME WHEN WE HAD THE BUDGET WORKSHOP WITH HIM. MM-HMM. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CID UNMARKED OR, BUT HE IN THE PATROL UNITS, THE, THE ONE FOR 2 97. OKAY. CORRECT. THOSE ARE THE ONES MARKED PATROL ARE NOT PATROL, UH, NO, THE ONES FOR 2 97 THESE UP HERE FOR THE, FOR 1 53, HE SAID WERE GONNA BE FOR OUT ON THE STREET RUNNING. AND THE OTHER PATROL UNITS WERE MORE FOR, UH, WHAT HE TOLD ME WERE DETECTIVES COMMAND STAFF. UH, YEAH, I SPOKE WITH THEM AND I, I THINK HE WAS LOOKING FOR, UH, WE WERE LOOKING FOR SOME CLARIFICATION ON THOSE NUMBERS, UH, THIS MORNING WHEN I SPOKE WITH HIM. UH, BUT THOSE NINE PATROL VEHICLES, UH, ARE AT THE DEPARTMENT AND THEY'RE ON LEASE RIGHT NOW MM-HMM . AND THAT'S WHY LAST YEAR THE 286 WAS BUDGETED, UH, OR I'M SORRY, THIS FISCAL YEAR. AND SO FROM THE BUDGET WE WERE ABLE TO COME UP MONEY TO PAY THE ADDITIONAL, UH, FOR THOSE VEHICLES, WHICH IS A TOTAL OF 19, WHICH IS THE 10 PLUS, THOSE NINE WHICH ARE ON LEASE WITH THE DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW. SO THIS WOULD, UH, THAT 153,000 WOULD BE REOCCURRING AND TO COVER THAT, THAT DIFFERENCE, UH, FOR THOSE LEASE VEHICLES THAT ARE, THAT ARE THERE NOW KIND OF THING, THAT, THAT IS $153, UH, DEFICIT. YOU ALREADY HAVE THEM. YES. AND EARLIER YOU SAID A FEW OF THOSE WERE PATROL, CORRECT. 14 OF THOSE ARE PATROL, THREE ARE MARKED HIGHWAY [01:20:01] TRUCKS. MM-HMM . AND TWO OF THEM ARE, UM, THEIR ADMIN, UH, VEHICLE. SO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS THE ADDITIONAL NINE ISN'T REALLY ADDITIONAL. YOU'RE ASKING FOR THEM TO BE COVERED AND THEN YOU'RE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL PATROL UNITS. YES, MA'AM. WHICH IS THE 297. BECAUSE IN LONG TERM WE WANNA TRY TO GET TO WHERE ALL OUR PATROL VEHICLES ARE, OUR LEASED VEHICLES MM-HMM . AND THAT WAY THERE'S NO VEHICLE OLDER THAN THREE YEARS OLD AND THOSE ARE CONSTANTLY BEING ROTATED OUT ON LEASE. UM, BECAUSE IT WOULD LOWER THE VOLUME OF THE CITY SHOP, IT WOULD GIVE THE BUDGET SOME STABILITY INSTEAD OF HAVING THESE CAPITAL SPIKES FOR, HEY, THIS YEAR WE GOT 20 VEHICLES, WE NEED TO GET, UH, THIS, THIS WOULD EVEN OUT THOSE, THOSE CAPITAL SPIKES. OKAY. AND, UH, AND IT WOULD SAVE MONEY LONG TERM. OKAY. UM, MARY, IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE CAN'T FUND THE 1 53 THROUGH THIS BUDGET 'CAUSE THIS DOESN'T TAKE EFFECT TILL TEN ONE. SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, BECAUSE NO, THEY NEED AN AMENDMENT THAT'S ALREADY, THEY ALREADY HAVE IT. YEAH. WE'D HAVE, WE'D HAVE TO COME UP WITH, SO THIS WOULD BE FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR. NO, BUT YOU SAID THESE WERE ALREADY THERE, RIGHT? YEAH. THESE VEHICLES ARE THERE AND, AND THAT DIFFERENCE HAS ALREADY BEEN COVERED WITH THE BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS FROM WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO FOR THIS. WHAT I UNDERSTOOD FROM HIM WAS THAT THESE WERE FOR NEW CARS. MM-HMM. NINE, NINE PATROL NEW VEHICLES. IT SOUNDS LIKE. WE DON'T KNOW. SO MAYBE ON THE NEXT, AT THE NEXT COMMISSION, UH, ON THE NEXT WORKSHOP, IF WE CAN JUST GET SOME CLARIFICATION TO THAT 'CAUSE MM-HMM . UM, IT IS A LITTLE CON CONFUSING. WE WANNA, AND IF, IF THEY ARE ALREADY THERE AND WE'VE, YOU'RE SAYING WE'VE ALREADY, BUT WE ALREADY DID AMENDMENT FOR THEM, UH, AND YEAH, I DON'T REMEMBER ADJUSTMENT FROM, FROM OUR, OUR OTHER Y'ALL HAVE INTERNALLY. OKAY. THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN COMING TO US. SO ROCKY, SO I UNDERSTAND YOU, THE 1 53, IT'S ALREADY BEEN PAID, CORRECT? FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR? YES SIR. PERFECT. YOU'RE ASKING FOR IT TO BE PAID FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR, CORRECT, SIR. OKAY. AND THEN THE PATROL UNITS FOR THE 2 97, THOSE FOR NEW UNITS, THOSE WOULD BE FOR NEW, UH, NEW UNITS THAT ADDED TO THE LEASE. TO ADDED TO THE LEASE? YES, SIR. OKAY. THOSE ARE THE ONES WE NEED TO ADD. SO THE, SO THE 2 97, THAT'S THE GREEN LIGHT, THE YELLOW, WHAT WE HAVE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, WE HAVE TO DO IT BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY ON THE LEASE AND WE GOTTA KEEP PAYING THE LEASE. IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? CORRECT. OKAY. AND WHAT IS THE NUMBER, DO YOU KNOW OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD FOR THE PATROL UNITS? TWO THREE FOR, FOR THE 2 97. THAT, THAT, THAT INCLUDES. SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD LOOK AT ROLLING IN AN, AN ADDITIONAL 10 LEASE MARKED PATROL UNITS. THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. YES. AND, UH, THE CHIEF HAS MENTIONED, AND I'M SURE BEFORE THE NEXT BUDGET MEETING WE CAN GET TOGETHER WITH HIM. SURE. MAKE SURE, UM, THAT WE WOULD WANNA PRIORITIZE THE MARKED, MARKED UNITS OVER, UM, SOME OF THE UNMARKED UNITS AT THIS POINT. OKAY. UH, BECAUSE THIS, THIS FISCAL YEAR, WE WERE ABLE TO, TO ROLL IN SOME OF THOSE UNMARKED UNITS. I, I KNOW WE'RE STILL TRYING RIGHT BEFORE THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR TO GET THOSE LAST FEW, UH, THAT WE WERE ALREADY BUDGETED AND, AND THAT WAY HOPEFULLY WE'LL PRIORITIZE THOSE MARKED PATROL UNITS. OKAY. ROCKY, THE, THE FOUR UNITS ARE GONNA BE ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT WEEK? YES, SIR. THOSE ARE UNMARKED. CID VEHICLE. OKAY. BUT WE WERE, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BUY, UH, A CERTAIN BRAND. YEAH. FOUR OF THEM, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THEY WERE, THAT WE COULDN'T GET. CHEVY COLORADOS, CHEVY COLORADOS. SO NOW WE'RE COMING BACK TO GET AUTHORIZATION TO BUY WHAT? UH, NISSAN ROGUES. NISSAN ROGUES. AND THESE ARE GONNA BE FOR, FOR CID, UH, THEY'RE UNMARKED. UH, CID DETECTIVE VEHICLE FOR DETECTIVES. OKAY. YEAH. YOU DON'T WANT A ROGUE TRYING TO CATCH SOMEBODY. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE THINKING. NO, NO. WELL, NOW I WAS THINKING, NOW EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT TO LOOK FOR FOR UNDERCOVER. IF I SEE A ROPE BEHIND ME, I KNOW SOMEONE'S LOOKING AT ME NOW I'M GONNA BE SUSPICIOUS OF EVERY SOCCER MOM NOW. LIKE, WHOA, LADIES, I DUNNO WHAT YOU WANTED ME TO DO. SO IS GOING BACK TO THOSE ROGUES, AND NOW WE KNOW, UM, THE THIRD ITEM HERE, IS THAT CID UNMARKED UNITS? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? YES, SIR. AND, OKAY, SO IT'S ALREADY THERE. OH, NO, NO, NO. SO, SO THAT, THIS IS, THIS IS FOR, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE ADDITIONS, THE SUPPLEMENTAL FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR. BUT, UH, IN TALKS WITH THE CHIEF, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PRIORITIZING THE MARKED PATROL UNITS AND, UM, NOT THE UNMARKED, BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE THOSE, THOSE UNITS COMING IN THAT WE'VE PRIORITIZED THIS YEAR BECAUSE WE'RE ABLE TO GET RID OF 10 UNMARKED UNITS THIS YEAR, OR 12 OR 14, WHATEVER IT WAS. UH, BECAUSE THEY WERE, THEY WERE ON THEIR WAY OUT. UH, AND WE WERE ABLE TO SUPPLEMENT THOSE THIS FISCAL YEAR. BECAUSE THOSE UNITS ARE, I MEAN, THEY'RE LOW USE, THEY'RE, UH, YOU KNOW, LOW MILEAGE. IT MAKES SENSE TO, TO BUY THOSE VEHICLES. NOW, THE PATROL UNITS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE A CONSUMABLE, UH, FLEET. MM-HMM . AND, UH, THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO LEASE THOSE VEHICLES. AND THEN FOR THE MOTORCYCLES, DO WE ALREADY HAVE THE TWO OFFICERS READY TO GO FOR THEM? YES, SIR. THEY, THEY USE, UH, WE, WE DO HAVE, UH, I BELIEVE ONE I WOULD HAVE TO CONFIRM. I CAN CONFIRM THAT. BUT THERE IS A WORKING MOTORCYCLE OR TWO THAT WE HAVE, AND I THINK THESE ARE FOR THE, UH, ADDITIONAL OFFICERS THAT ARE TRAINED, TRAINED TO DO THAT. THE TWO BMWS WE BOUGHT LIKE ABOUT TWO, THREE YEARS [01:25:01] AGO. YES. THOSE ARE STILL SERVICEABLE AND THEY'RE USING THEM REGULARLY. OKAY. UH, ANYTHING ELSE IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE? ONE LAST THING. I APOLOGIZE. WE ALREADY ORDERED THE BEAR CUT. WE BOUGHT THAT A YEAR OR TWO AGO, RIGHT? YES, SIR. WE'RE JUST . HAS IT ARRIVED? IT HAS NOT ARRIVED, NO. ALRIGHT. IT, AND IT'S, UM, I THINK IT WAS READY, BUT A FEDERAL AGENCY NEEDED IT, SO HE TOOK IT AWAY FROM US. THEY NEVER, IT NEVER MADE IT OUT OF THE MANUFACTURER. SO, SO THEY'RE STILL BUILT OR THEY'RE BUILDING US A NEW ONE? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. SO WE, WE COULD HAVE HAD IT LAST YEAR, BUT WE GOT OUTRANKED BY, I DUNNO WHO IT WAS, WHAT FEDERAL DEPARTMENT THAT NEEDED IT, SO, OKAY. ALRIGHT. OH, AND LAST THING, I APOLOGIZE. MM-HMM . DON'T WE, WE ALREADY HAVE GENERATORS AT THE EOC. CORRECT. SO WHY WALK ME THROUGH THE UNINTERRUPTIBLE POWER SUPPLY AT THE COMMUNICATION CENTER. WHAT HAPPENS IF THAT GOES DOWN? UH OH. SO, SO THOSE WERE, UM, THOSE WERE ACTUALLY PUT, PUT ON THIS FISCAL YEAR. UH, WE'VE ALREADY GOT EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE. WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR, SORRY, WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR DELIVERY. WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE PO THIS WAS ALREADY A BUDGETED ITEM FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. AND WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT. SO WE CAN STRIKE IT. YES, SIR. YAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . THANK YOU, ROCKY. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT, UH, DEPARTMENT IS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. THEY'RE REQUESTING 4,760,000, WHICH INCLUDES THE CENTRAL FIRE STATION OF 4.5 ENGINEERING 375,000, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNALS, 189,716 STREET MAINTENANCE, 1 MILLION, 1 63 STREET MAINTENANCE. UH, OKAY. SO THAT'S PART OF CONTINUED, UH, STREET CLEANING, 29,300 STREET PAVING, 1,000,068 STREET DRAINAGE, 1 MILLION 758, 716 PARKS, 824,000 SWIMMING POOLS, 66,000 LIBRARY, 350,000 CODE COMPLIANCE, 161,000 PUBLIC BUILDINGS. 1,000,300 36, 755. I'M NOT BUILDING INSPECTIONS. I APOLOGIZE. MAYOR, IF I CAN HOP IN. YES, SIR. UH, COMMISSIONER LOPEZ, UM, PUBLIC BUILDINGS, UH, CHRIS, A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS GONNA BE REPLACED IF WE GO FORWARD WITH, UM, SNYDER. SNYDER, RIGHT? YES, SIR. THAT IS CORRECT. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, UM, SCHNEIDER IS GONNA BE PRESENTING THEIR 90 DAY, UH, ASSESSMENT PRETTY SOON. I'M NOT SURE OF THE DATE. SEPTEMBER 16TH. 16TH. 16TH. YES. AND THEN ROBERT, WELL, THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER LOPEZ HAS THE FLOOR AND THEN WORKING UP, YOU'RE MOVING PRETTY QUICK ON ME, ROBERT. I'M TRYING TO RUN, GET THIS MAN DONE. SORRY. UM, SO THEN IT'S THE TWO, UH, FORD RANGERS AND THEN THE JOHN DEERE MOWING TRACTOR, UH, ZERO TURN MOWER AND ALL THAT. WHERE ARE WE AT ON THOSE, ANNA? THOSE ARE CODE COMPLIANCE, RIGHT? IS THAT YOU, RIGHT? YEAH. CORRECT. UH, IS THIS, TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE HOUSES THAT ARE NOT PAYING ARE, THEY'RE, AGAIN, THEY'RE PROPERTIES MOWED? YES. SO, SO ONE OF THE THINGS, I KNOW THE PRICE SEEMS STEEP, BUT SOME OF THESE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, THE GRASS IS CRAZY HIGH. AND SO, UM, WE NEED SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH POWER SO WE CAN BE FAST WITH THE MOWING. AND WE HAVE SO MANY PROPERTIES THAT WE DO ON A MONTHLY BASIS. SO, UH, WE ONLY HAVE TWO STAFF MEMBERS THAT DO THAT. AND THAT'S A LOT, A LOT OF GROUND TO COVER. SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY, THEY'RE GIVEN THE EQUIPMENT. 'CAUSE THE EQUIPMENT ITSELF ALSO IS TAKING A BEATING WITH ALL OF THE, UM, UM, THE, THE PROPERTIES THAT THEY HAVE TO MOW. DO WE GET, UM, YOU MAY NOT KNOW THIS, MAYBE YOU DO, ROBERT, DO WE GET RE LIKE I KNOW WE FINE. DO WE GET, DO WE GET THE, DO WE GET THAT MONEY BACK IT FOR MO LIENS? YES. LIKE, DO THEY PAY, DO THEY PAY? UH, THEY, THEY DO AND THEY TRY AND, AND SELL A PROPERTY OR SOMETHING. WE DO GET, UH, LIEN, UH, RELEASES WHERE THEY HAVE TO COME AND PAY THE LIEN AND THEN WE'LL RELEASE, UH, THE LIEN. COULD, COULD WE CON CONTRACT OUT THAT SPECIFIC WORK SO THAT WAY IT'S NOT ON OUR STAFF. AND THEN THAT COSTS GO TO THE OWNERS MOWING FOR THAT SPECIFIC TYPE OF, OF MOWING. WE, WE WOULD HAVE TO, SO WE REDO, WE DO RECOUP THE, THE MONEY, [01:30:01] BUT IT WOULD BE ONLY IF THEY'RE LOOKING TO SELL THE PROPERTY OR, OR SOMETHING THAT'S AFFECTING THE PROPERTY WHERE THEY HAVE TO MOW THE PROPERTY AND, AND THEY CAN'T SELL IT. 'CAUSE THERE'S, THERE IS A LIEN, BUT, BUT WE HAVE LIENS. BUT HERE'S THE THING, MOST OF THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE BEING MOWED ARE ALREADY ABANDONED. SO THE NUMBER OF TAX, UH, TAX LIENS THAT ARE ON IT IS JUST THEY DON'T GET PAID. SO THAT WAS MY QUESTION. SO WE'RE NOT GONNA GET PAID ON IT? NOT ON ALL OF THEM, NO. NOT REALISTICALLY. NO. THERE, THERE ARE SOME WHERE THEY'VE ACCUMULATED A LARGE COST AND THEY HAVE COME IN BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO SELL THE PROPERTY. AND WE DO. BUT THE MAJORITY OF 'EM, THERE'S, THERE'S SO MANY LIENS OUT THERE THAT WHY DO WE MAKE LET THEM GET SO HIGH, ANNA THAT YOU NEED THIS. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT INTENTIONAL. UM, JUST, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. SO FOR LAST FISCAL YEAR, UM, WE DID, UM, LET SEE, FOR CLEANING IT WAS LIKE 50, 53,000. THAT'S HOW MUCH WE RECOVER. OKAY. AND THAT IS A, AND WHAT DOES THAT, UM, REPRESENT IN TERMS OF PERCENTAGE OF FINES? UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE PERCENTAGE, BUT IT GOES BACK TO THE GENERAL FUNDS. SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT BENEFITS OUR DEPARTMENT. NO, NO, BUT JUST IN TERMS OF LIKE, HOW MUCH ARE WE ACTUALLY RECOVERING? SO I, I WOULD NEED TO GO BACK AND MAKE THAT OKAY. CALCULATE THAT PERCENTAGE. OKAY. BUT I DO, WE DO HAVE THE, THE TRENDS AS FAR AS HOW MUCH WE'RE RECOVERING. OKAY. SO WITHIN TWO YEARS, THIS EQUIPMENT WOULD BE PAID OFF BASED ON 53,000 MM-HMM . AND ALSO CONSIDER THAT THE NEW OFFICER WILL HELP A LOT . WELL, UM, WE ALSO HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THE, UH, THE STAFF, UM, PAYING THEM. AND SO 53,000 WOULD PROBABLY NOT COVER THE FULL COST OF ONE EMPLOYEE . SO, AND WE HAVE TWO. SO IT'S TRUE. I JUST, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT CONTRACTING, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF LIKE, IN TERMS OF EVERYTHING THAT STAFF HAS TO DO AND THAT IF YOU ALREADY HAVE, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFIED LOCATIONS THAT ARE CONSTANTLY NEEDING IT AND WHAT THAT COST WOULD LOOK LIKE IF YOU CONTRACT IT OUT VERSUS ANOTHER EMPLOYEE AND BENEFITS AND ALL THAT OTHER, UH, 'CAUSE IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT THE TRUE COST IS JUST AN HOURLY EMPLOYEE. I THINK MAYOR, IN THE LONG TERM, IT MIGHT BE CHEAPER FOR US TO KEEP STAFF DOING IT VERSUS PAYING A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR TO COME AND DO IT BECAUSE HE, HE WOULD WANNA GET PAID HIS COST UPFRONT. AND WHEREAS WE JUST USE STAFF AND LABOR AND, UM, YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD BE CHEAPER FOR US TO KEEP DOING IT THIS WAY. I UNDERSTAND. IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT WE'RE NOT KEEPING UP IF IT'S REALLY HIGH GRASS. AND SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIND A WAY WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE, UM, NOT AN EYESORE MM-HMM . FOR THE, FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE TO LIVE AROUND RIGHT. THAT AREA. SO THAT'S THE CONCERN. RIGHT. AND SO SOMETIMES QUALITY OF LIFE PROJECTS, WE DON'T MAKE MONEY OFF OF 'EM AND IT'S AN EXTRA EXPENSE. UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BREAKDOWN OF HOW MANY, I KNOW I'VE SENT YOU MESSAGES ON AND ON, LIKE GOING, UM, BEHIND MY OFFICE. THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE IN, UM, THOSE STREETS, UM, LIKE, UH, MONROE AND MADISON, ALL OF THOSE. AND, AND SO IF WE ALREADY KNOW, UM, AND, AND I'D RATHER US BE PROACTIVE AND, AND GETTING IT CUT, I THINK THAT EVERYBODY IN THE CITY DESERVES TO HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THEY CAN FEEL PROUD THAT THEY LIVE THERE AND THAT THERE'S NOT OVERGROWN GRASS FOR GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE NEED SPECIFIC EQUIPMENT. 'CAUSE IT'S SO HIGH. THAT MEANS THAT WE'RE NOT NO, NO, I'M NOT. YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB ON A . NOT, NOT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU'VE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S HARD. IT, AND, AND YOU, YOU HAVE A VERY, UM, HAVE TO PRIORITIZE AND YOU'VE GOT, YOU, YOU GOTTA, YOU HAVE A, ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY. AND SO IT'S NOT GONNA RECOVER. IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO FIX ALL THE ISSUES OVERNIGHT. BUT WHAT I HEAR WHEN WE NEED EQUIPMENT FOR YARDS THAT ARE SO HIGH THAT WE CAN'T JUST CUT IT, THAT TO ME SAYS THAT WE'RE NOT DOING A SUFFICIENT JOB IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT IT DOESN'T GET THERE AND NEEDING THAT EQUIPMENT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, NOT, NOT TO GO AGAINST WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT IT'S JUST THAT PLEASE GO AGAINST WHAT I'M SAYING. , I WANNA BE WRONG. . NO. SO, BUT LIKE MOST OF THESE PROPERTIES, BECAUSE THEY'RE RECURRING, I MEAN, WE ALREADY KNOW, RIGHT? MM-HMM . BUT THEN, UM, IT'S THE BACON PROPERTIES THAT HAVE LIKE THE ABSENT OWNERS, THAT DOESN'T MATTER. LIKE YOU, SOMETIMES YOU CAN GO TWICE, TWICE A MONTH, OR IF IT RAINS, THEY KNOW RIGHT AWAY THAT THEY HAVE TO GO BACK. AND SO IT'S, UM, IT'S LIKE, KIND OF LIKE THERE'S SO MANY OF THEM THAT IT, THAT'S WHY IT TAKES, UM, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES A LOT MORE TIME TO, TO GO BACK AND, AND GET THEM DONE. SO, JUST WANTED, AND THIS, THIS, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER, THIS MAYOR REALLY IS A QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE. IT IS, UH, BECAUSE IT KEEPS THE NEIGHBORHOODS MAINTAINED AND, [01:35:01] UH, IT EVEN HAS AN IMPACT ON MOSQUITO POPULATION WHEN THE GRASS IS REALLY HIGH. SO, YEAH. AND I'M SURE SAFETY, I'M SURE PD AND EVEN FIRE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING INTO A, A POTENTIALLY ABANDONED, UM, PROPERTY AND THE GRASS IS OVERGROWN AND YOU CAN'T SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE GETTING INTO. THAT KIND OF THING. I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, A LOT OF ISSUES THAT, THAT I THINK ARE, UH, COLLATERAL TO THIS ISSUE. I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT IN ORDER FOR US TO MOW, PROPERTY HAS TO REACH A CERTAIN HEIGHT FIRST, AND THEN WE SEND A NOTICE. AND THEN, UH, ANOTHER FACTOR IS THAT WE HAD SOME RAINY MONTHS. SO THAT ATTRIBUTES TO THE DELAY ON GETTING THE, GETTING THE MOW MM-HMM . SO IT'S A PROCESS THAT WE FOLLOW. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, SOMETIMES WITH, UH, RAINY MONTHS, YES, WE GET BACKLOG BACKLOGGED. MM-HMM . OKAY. NOT SAYING NOT, AND I'M NOT SAYING NO TO THE EQUIPMENT, I'M JUST SAYING LET'S, UM, FIX THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM. BUT I THINK WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT THERE'S SO MANY LOTS OUT THERE, THEY CAN'T KEEP UP WITH IT, WHICH MEANS YOU WOULD NEED MORE PERSONNEL TO BE MOWING. THAT'S THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM. SO WE NEED TO FIGURE IT OUT. RIGHT? SO YOU'RE SAYING HIRE ANOTHER MOWER IF WE ALREADY HAVE TWO, GET A THIRD ONE. BUT IF WE GET A THIRD ONE, THEN THAT PERSON'S STILL GONNA NEED ALL THE EQUIPMENT, WHICH IS WHY I SAID, I DON'T KNOW, WHICH IS CHEAPER. WHETHER WE CONTRACT IT OUT AND SEE WHAT THAT NUMBER LOOKS LIKE, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A BIG PROBLEM. AND WE'RE ASKING FOR EQUIPMENT. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANOTHER POSITION. IT'S JUST WE HAVE ALREADY TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE FULLY, YOU KNOW, DEDICATED TO THIS, UH, TASK. AND IT'S JUST MAKING SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT EQUIPMENT TO MAKE THE JOB FASTER. SO, AND IF I MAY ADD, I, I'VE BEEN IN CITIES WHERE WE CONTRACT THAT SERVICE TO LOCAL CONTRACTORS, WE ALWAYS HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THEM BECAUSE THEY TAKE THE, THE CUSTOMERS THAT PAY FIRST. MM-HMM . INSTEAD OF A CITY THAT PAYS, TAKES 30 DAYS TO PAY THEM. AND THEN THEY ACCUMULATE SO MANY NUMBER OF LOTS. SO THEY'RE BACKLOGGED THEMSELVES. SO IT'S NOT AS FEASIBLE AS WE'RE NOT GONNA SAVE AS MUCH AS MONEY. AND THE PRICES THEY, THEY REQUEST ARE VERY HIGH. THAT'S TRUE. OKAY. WELL, Y'ALL HAVE THE EXPERIENCE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, UH, UM, RELY ON, ON, ON YOUR RECOMMENDATION. BUT, UM, IF YOU GET YOUR, I'M SORRY, MIKE, I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN WAITING PATIENTLY. UM, IF YOU GET YOUR EQUIPMENT AND YOU HAVE YOUR TWO PEOPLE, THEN THAT MEANS WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE AN ISSUE IN HAREN. YOU SEE YOUR YEAH. SO THERE IS, IT'S GONNA, THEY NEED, THEY NEED MORE SUPPORT AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. LIKE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO BE A, A PROBLEM. AND I THINK THAT THAT IS A BIG PROBLEM WITH THE CITY. IT'S, IT PEOPLE GET REALLY UPSET ABOUT IT, AND WE NEED TO FIGURE IT OUT. IF I WAS LIVING NEXT TO A HOUSE WHERE IT WAS OVERGROWN AND THE CITY HAD TO, YOU KNOW, MOW IT AND THEY DIDN'T COME, I WOULDN'T CARE THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE EQUIPMENT. I WOULD BE UPSET ABOUT IT. AND I THINK WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. ONE LAST THING IS THAT, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE LOOKED AT ADJUSTING THE COST OF A MOW LIE MOWING LIEN, WHATEVER YOU WANNA SAY. OH WOW. YEAH, IT'S BEEN YEARS. AND THEN THAT'S THE OTHER ASPECT OF IT, YEAH. IS IF EVERYTHING PRICE OF BREAD'S GOING UP, GAS IS GOING UP, UH, THEN I THINK IF YOU'RE NOT DOING YOUR PART TO JUST CUT YOUR GRASS AND KEEP YOUR, YOU KNOW, STAY WITHIN THE HEALTH AND SAFETY BOUNDARIES MM-HMM . THEN THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AS WELL. AGREE. I AGREE. WE'LL GET SOME INFORMATION ON HOW MANY MOWING LIENS WE HAVE OUT THERE, INCLUDING THE DOLLAR AMOUNT. IT'S PRETTY BIG. COMMISSIONER MESMER, YOU'VE BEEN RECOGNIZED. OKAY, ROBERT, I HAVE A QUESTION. YES, SIR. THE PUNCHLINE IS 13,232,000. HOW MUCH MONEY? THIS IS ALSO A GABE QUESTION. HOW MUCH MONEY ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH TO MEET THIS 13 MILLION WITHOUT DESTROYING OUR CASH FLOW OR ANYTHING? UM, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. THE 13 MILLION, SO THIS IS A REQUEST FOR 13.2 MILLION. YES, SIR. DO WE HAVE 13.2 MILLION? NO. OKAY. SO HOW MUCH ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH TO PONY UP TO MEET THESE REQUESTS? WELL, THAT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT THE RATE IS THAT WE DECIDE ON. AND THEN I COULD GIVE YOU A PRETTY GOOD ANSWER. UM, BECAUSE IF WE GO WITH THE, THE ADJUSTING THE, THE RATE DOWN ONE 10TH OF A CENT, UM, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE ONLY GONNA HAVE ABOUT 800,000 TO 900,000 TO WORK WITH. SO, SO PARTY HEARING, SO THERE'S A REQUEST FOR 13.2 MILLION MM-HMM . AND YOU SAID WE COULD PONY UP 800,000, MAYBE THAT'S A LARGE GAP. OH, IT IS. IT'S STATISTICALLY SPEAKING. IT IS. IT'S, UH, YEAH, THERE'S [01:40:01] A MAJOR DEFICIT IN THE NEEDS AND WHICH IS WHY WE ALWAYS SHOW YOU WHAT ALL THE REQUESTS ARE BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN MEET, UH, WHAT, WHAT'S ACTUALLY NEEDED TO RUN THE CITY PROPERLY. BUT THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE DIRECTORS AND ASSISTANT DIRECTORS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, WHAT'S THE PRIORITY? LET'S GET THAT OPTIMIZED AND LET'S DO WHAT WE CAN WITH WHAT WE HAVE. BECAUSE, UM, YOU'RE NEVER GONNA HAVE ENOUGH, JUST LIKE YOUR HOUSEHOLD AT HOME. YOU'RE NEVER GONNA HAVE ENOUGH TO, TO GET EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEED OR THAT, THAT YOU WANT. THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO PRIORITIZE AND DECIDE, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THIS THIS MONTH AND MAYBE SOMETHING ELSE NEXT MONTH. UH, AND THEN YOU HAVE INFLATION, UH, INFLATION NEEDS AT YOUR, AT YOUR BUYING POWER. RIGHT. AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A HARD QUESTION TO ANSWER, BUT THIS IS WHY WE HAVE THIS SEPARATE TAX RATE SO WE CAN SEE HOW MUCH MONEY WE ARE GOING TO HAVE, AND THEN THE COMMISSION'S GONNA HAVE TO MAKE THAT HARD DECISION ON WHAT IT IS BASED ON THE NECESSITIES OF THE COMMUNITY. MM-HMM. AND SO WE'RE NOT THERE. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. AND WE'RE, WE'RE NOT THERE YET. SO THIS 13.2 MILLION IS A DREAM BOOK THAT'S, AND THEN WE HAVE TO INJECT REALITY INTO IT. RIGHT? BUT WHAT I KEEP HEARING OVER AND OVER, AND I KNOW EACH AND EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU ALSO KEEP HEARING STOP PUTTING, STOP GETTING NEW THINGS AND FIX WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY. MM-HMM . SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO MEET THAT DEMAND AND EXPECTATION OF THE COMMUNITY IF WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO ADDITIONAL THINGS AND ADDITIONAL PROJECTS AND KEEP ADDING MORE, UH, PLACES FOR, YOU KNOW, OUR STAFF TO MOW , UM, HOW ARE WE GOING TO EVER GET THERE? SO WE HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE. AND I THINK THAT THESE, THEY'RE NOT SEXY PROJECTS, BUT THEY'RE IMPORTANT. I THINK PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE, UM, THAT QUALITY OF LIFE THAT THEY EXPECT IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE NEED TO GET BACK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, MICRO LEVEL. AND I THINK THAT THIS IS HOW WE DO IT. I'M SORRY, . YEAH. ANNA, QUESTION PLEASE. YOU'RE SITTING FURTHER BACK AND FURTHER BACK. ANNA JUST SIT, SIT RIGHT HERE. ANNA WAS NOT GONNA SAY ANYTHING TODAY. . AND I'LL JUST SAY FOR WORKSHOPS, I THINK STAFF JUST NEEDS TO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO, UH, NO ONE'S HERE, UH, MOVING FORWARD. JUST GET A LITTLE CLOSER. I, I HEARD THE ONES THAT GET CLOSEST GET THE MOST MONEY, BUT , UM, I HAD A QUESTION. GO BACK. IT GOES BACK TO DANIEL'S POINT EARLIER. MM-HMM . UM, SO WHEN, BECAUSE IS IT TRUE, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THIS IS WHAT I REMEMBER BEING TOLD IS THAT THERE'S SOME AREAS IN OUR CITY, LIKE THEIR COMMERCIAL LOTS, AND WHAT WE DO IS WE REGULARLY CUT THEM, RIGHT? YEAH. SO WHEN DO THEY, THE ONLY TIME THEY, THEY WE GET PAID BACK IS WHEN THAT PROPERTY SELLS OR THEY PAY US AS WELL EVENTUALLY, OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO, SO THEY GET BILL ON A MONTHLY BASIS. OKAY. AND SO, UH, SOMETIMES THEY COME IN AND PAY, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. RIGHT. AND SO, BUT SOMETIMES THEY JUST DON'T RESPOND. AND SO WE KEEP, UM, BILLING THEM UNTIL WE ACTUALLY PLACE A LIEN. AND SO AFTER THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE PROPERTY IS BASICALLY SOLD TO RECOVER THAT MONEY. OKAY. AND TO DANIEL'S POINT, WHAT HE SAID EARLIER MM-HMM . WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THOSE RATES IN A WHILE. NO, WE HAVEN'T. AND ACTUALLY THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR, HOPEFULLY. SO WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT ALL OF THE FEES. I KNOW THAT IT'S NOT A POPULAR THING, BUT OUR FEES, UM, ACROSS THE BOARD ARE PROBABLY ONE OF THE LOWEST IN THE ENTIRE, UM, YOU KNOW, CAMERON COUNTY AND MAYBE IGO COUNTY AS WELL. AND SO IT, IT GOES FOR, YOU KNOW, PLANNING AND BUILDINGS AND CODE ENFORCEMENT IS NOT AN EXCEPTION. WELL, BACK TO, TO WHAT DANIEL WAS SAYING, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION SOONER AND MAYBE ACT ON IT SOONER BECAUSE YES. WE, WE CAN HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS TOMORROW. OKAY. YEAH. 'CAUSE I LIKE DANIEL'S IDEA ABOUT INCREASING IT, BECAUSE AT THE SAME TIME IT'S PEOPLE, IT ONLY AFFECTS PEOPLE WHEN IT STARTS TO HURT THEM. YEAH. AND THEN ESPECIALLY THESE, THESE COMMERCIAL ONES THAT, THAT PAY ON A MONTHLY BASIS, WE MAKE IT WHERE IT'S VERY, VERY UNCOMFORTABLE FOR THEM TO PAY. MAYBE THEY'LL DO IT THEMSELVES AND THEY'LL SAVE US SOME TIME TO BE ABLE TO DO THE OTHER STUFF. MM-HMM . I AGREE. THANK YOU. WE CAN BRING IT FOR MONDAY'S WORKSHOP COMMISSIONER. I'M SORRY. WE CAN BRING IT FOR MONDAY'S WORKSHOP. OKAY, COOL. THANK YOU. FANTASTIC. AND MAYBE YOU CAN, UM, WORK WITH THE JUDGE AND GET ACTUAL, UH, WHAT WE ACTUALLY RECOVER. OKAY. YES. BECAUSE EVEN IF WE RAISE AND THEY DON'T PAY, UM, WE GOTTA LOOK AT THE REALITY OF, OF THAT AND THAT 53 IS GONNA GO UP. MM-HMM . THE 53,000 THAT'S COLLECTED. SURE. AT LEAST LAST YEAR. RIGHT. THAT WILL GO UP. MM-HMM . UM, IF I MAY CONTINUE GOING BACK, UH, YES. THEN IF WE LOOK AT PARKS, WHICH IS AT THE BOTTOM OF PAGE 14, TOP OF PAGE 15. [01:45:01] SO WE HAVE REPAIR PARK, SHOP ROOF. THAT ONE, THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S LIKE A SIEVE? CORRECT. THE, UH, PARK SHOP ROOF IS THE MAIN, THE MAIN PARK SHOP OFFICE. UM, INITIALLY WHEN WE DID THIS, IT WAS TO FIX THE ROOF. AND THEN AFTER THOSE DISCUSSIONS WE TALKED ABOUT OTHER PLANS OF COMPLETING THE WHOLE BUILDING ITSELF AND LOOKING FOR FUNDING TO REPAIR EVERYTHING, INCLUDING THE, UH, ASPHALT SURROUNDING AND OTHER AREAS. OKAY. SO YOU'RE SAYING WE CAN STRIKE THIS OFF? WE CAN STRIKE IT OFF, YEAH. OKAY. ON THAT ONE. AND THEN IF WE CAN LOOK AT THE SAND PRO BASEBALL FIELD GROOMER. YEAH. ON THAT ONE, WE AT LEAST NEED ONE FOR SURE. IT'S GONNA HELP OUR TEAM OUT WITH ALL THE ATHLETIC FIELDS. UM, WE PUT TWO, UH, IT DEFINITELY WOULD GIVE US, UM, THREE FULLY WORK WORKING. ONE. THE OTHER, THE FOURTH ONE IS, IS SLIGHTLY OFF, BUT WHAT IS IT? IT'S A SAM PRO, WHICH HELPS US DRAG THE SKINS, WHICH HELPS US DRAG THE DIRT FOR THE INFIELD. BUT WE COULD ALSO, UM, PREP THE LIP THAT THE FORMS ON THE INFIELD GROUND WHEN IT GETS TO THE, THE DIRT. SO IT'S, IT'S FOR MAINTENANCE PURPOSES. AND SO THEN THAT WOULD APPLY TO PANEL 10 WILSON, ALL THE ATHLETIC FIELDS. AND YOU CAN ALSO HAVE ATTACHMENTS ONTO IT. SO YOU HAVE A DRUM, WHICH IS WEIGHTED. YOU CAN ALSO PRESS THE DIRT AS WELL. SO THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF ATTACHMENTS THAT COME, UH, THAT WE CAN PURCHASE LATER ON WITH THE, UH, FIELD GROOMERS. OKAY. AND THEN WILSON SPORTS COMPLEX SOFTBALL LIGHTS AND ELECTRICAL REPAIR. SO THAT WOULD BE FOR THE ADULT SOFTBALL FIELDS THERE. UM, DIRE NEED. UM, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE MAIN TOPICS, MAIN COMPLAINTS. WE'VE TRIED TO, TO REPLACE LIGHT BULBS. WE, WE PUT SOME WORK INTO IT. IT AN OLD SYSTEM FAILING. UM, A LOT OF FEEDBACK WE GET FROM THE SOFTBALL PLAYERS IS THE LIGHT ISSUE. UH, SO THAT WOULD COMPLETELY FIX THE ISSUES WITH THE ELECTRICAL AND THE LIGHTS AND HIS WILSON SOFTBALL FIELDS. IS THAT THE, THE LEAGUE THAT PARKS RUNS? THAT IS OURS, YES. WE RUN THOSE LEAGUES. THAT IS OUR LEAGUE. AND DO THEY BRING, OH, I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. AND CAN WE GET C, DB? I KNOW, YOU KNOW, IN THE CONVERSATIONS YOU AND I HAD, AND THEN I HAD 'EM WITH SANDY AS WELL ABOUT FUNDING WITH CBDG, BECAUSE IT'S A CITY RUN LEAGUE. CAN WE USE CBDG FUNDING FOR THAT? NO, NOT ANYMORE. IT WAS TAKEN OFF BY HUD. I WAS GONNA SAY THAT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WHAT ABOUT THE AND ARRO ARROYO, WHAT'S GOING ON THERE IS FIELDS ONE AND TWO DO HAVE LIGHTS. UH, UH, FIELD FOUR IS PART OF THE GRANT THAT WILL GET LIGHTS AND ARTIFICIAL TURF, WHICH IS GONNA LEAVE FIELD THREE WITHOUT LIGHTS. MM-HMM . UM, ONCE WE CAN GET LIGHTS THERE. UM, IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN TIME CHANGED LAST YEAR, WE HAD THAT ASSOCIATION. WE HAD A LOT OF PRACTICES THERE. UM, VERY MINIMAL LIGHT. SO WE, WE JUST, WE, WE DON'T WANNA LEAVE IT IN THE DARK JUST TO BE UNIFORM THROUGHOUT ALL FOUR FIELDS. SPEAKING OF A ROYAL ROYAL PARK, DID YOU GUYS PUT A CROSSWALK THERE? UH, CROSSWALK. THERE'S LIKE, THERE'S NO CROSSWALK FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD KIDS. I KNOW THIS IS KIND OF OFF TOPIC, BUT UM, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT PARK AND YOU'RE MAKING ALL THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, A BUNCH OF KIDS GO THERE AND I KNOW THAT I SEE THEM AND THEY'RE, AND IT'S DARK AND THEY CROSS, UM, BEFORE THE PARK. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, UH, THAT, THAT T INTERSECTION OR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE THERE'S THAT ROUNDABOUT THAT THEN THERE'S A ON NEW HAMPSHIRE? YEAH. THEY, SO SO THERE'S ALL THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS OR, OR ALL THOSE YEAH. NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE KIDS. I MEAN, I, I'VE, I'VE DRIVEN THROUGH THERE BECAUSE IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, MY KIDS GO THERE TO, ON THE TRAIL AND, UH, I SEE KIDS RUNNING ACROSS THE STREET AND WHEN IT'S DARK, THERE'S NO CROSSWALK. UNLESS THERE'S BEEN ONE THAT'S BEEN PLACED IN THERE IN THE LAST, UH, MONTH OR TWO, WE CAN LOOK INTO IT. UH, I'LL LOOK INTO IT AND JUST, JUST FOR SAFETY PURPOSES. AND THE MORE THAT YOU INVEST, THE MORE KIDS ARE GONNA, UH, GO TO THAT PARK. I, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE NEW SOFTBALL LIGHTING AT ARROYO AND AT THE WILSON SPORTS COMPLEX. GOING TO YOUR, I THINK LIGHTING IS JUST REALLY IMPORTANT. MM-HMM . LIKE JUST BROAD, BROAD STROKE IT. 'CAUSE EVEN THE 12 SOLAR LIGHTS SLASH POLES OR PARK BASKETBALL COURTS AND OPEN SPACES I THINK IS A PRIORITY AS WELL. THE KIDS PLAY IN THE DARK AT THE BASKET. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY FIXED THE LIGHTING IN THE BASKETBALL COURT, BUT THERE WAS LIKE KIDS OUT THERE AND IT'S LIKE THE SUN GOES DOWN AND THEY'RE PLAYING IN THE DARK. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING THERE IS JUST PRETTY MUCH ELIMINATING, UH, THE AP ASPECT AND GOING TO SOLAR WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IF SOMETHING GOES OUT, WAITING FOR THEM TO COME FIX IT. UM, AND THAT WAY ALL OUR BASKETBALL COURTS, MAJORITY OF OUR BASKETBALL [01:50:01] COURTS WILL BE SOLAR AND OPEN SPACE. REASON IT SAYS OPEN SPACE. 'CAUSE WE HAVE IDENTIFIED CERTAIN AREAS WHERE WE'VE NOTICED THAT, UH, THE COMMUNITY WILL GATHER TO THEIR KIDDOS OR JUST PRACTICING PLAYING SOCCER, YOU KNOW, FAMILY ORIENTED. SO SOLAR LIGHTS WOULD PROVIDE LIGHTING THAT'S ADEQUATE FOR THAT NEED. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE AN EXPENSE, YOU KNOW, EXPENSE ON SOLAR, SPORTS LIGHTING, SO FORTH. DO YOU HAVE LIGHTING RIGHT THERE BY THE, UM, WHAT'S IT CALLED? PUMP TRUCK. SO, UH, WITH THE GRANT WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE LIGHTING THAT'S THERE. I KNOW CDBG, WE, WE PROPOSED A NEW, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S DARK SKY TYPE STYLE SPORTS LIGHTING THERE, BUT IT DIDN'T GET FUNDED. BUT WE ARE GONNA HAVE SOLAR LIGHTS THAT GO AROUND THAT QUALIFY FOR DARK SKY, ESPECIALLY IN THAT AREA BECAUSE ALL THE WILDLIFE THAT'S THERE. OKAY. SO, YEAH, WE'RE GOOD. ALRIGHT. UM, UM, TIS, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? NO, I, I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT BOTH. 'CAUSE I GET CALLS ALL THE TIME FOR THE SOFTBALL AND IT'S NOT JUST AT WILSON AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT LIKE A MILLION TIMES, BUT ALSO ROYAL AND THE ROYAL, THE, THE, A LOT OF PARENTS REALLY, REALLY NEED IT. UM, ASK FOR ANCE AT ROYALS ROYAL PARK, I APOLOGIZE FOR INTERRUPTING, BUT WE KEEP HAVING OUR, OUR TWO LADY TEAMS, THE LADY HAWKS AND THE LADY, UH, CARDINALS THAT ARE JUST AMAZING CRUSHING IT. AND THEY NEED TO HAVE THE FACILITIES, I THINK, TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE DOING IT. YEAH, I THINK, UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS IN THE WORKS FOR ROYAL PARK AND FOR THE SOFTBALL, UM, FIELDS. I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU COULD PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER AND THAT IT'S AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE SO PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S COMING IN THE FUTURE AND, AND WHAT THE PLANS ARE. I KEEP TELLING THEM ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE DOING, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYWHERE THEY CAN GO AND READ FOR THEM FOR THEMSELVES. OKAY. OR, AND THEN ARE WE GOOD WITH THAT, MAYOR? YEAH. CAN WE POP UP TO STREET DRAINAGE IS, YEAH. UNLESS THERE'S, UM, OTHER QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. STREET DRAINAGE. MOVING ON TO STREET DRAINAGE. RUDY, THIS IS YOU, CORRECT, COMMISSIONER. SO, UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT'S, 'CAUSE I'M MAKING NOTES JUST TO MAKE SURE SO I CAN SEND YOU MY NOTES IF YOU LIKE. OKAY. BECAUSE I WAS, UH, JUST NOTING WE'RE GONNA SCRATCH OUT THIS THE ROOF AND ADD THIS SAMPLE. CORRECT. SO IF YOU LOOK AT PARKS RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE REPAIR, YEAH, THAT ONE'S GONE. AND THEN THE COMMISSION OBVIOUSLY IS JUST LOOKING FAVORABLY AT THE NEXT THREE, WHICH IS AURORA SOFTBALL, WILSON SPORTS COMPLEX, 12 SOLAR LIGHTS. AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SAND PRO BASEBALL FIELD, GROOMER, GROOMERS. DID YOU GET ALL THAT, ROBERT? YES, SIR. AND THEN FOR STREET DRAINAGE, I KNOW THAT WE ARE, UH, RUTH REALLY PUSHING OUR, OUR PUBLIC WORKS TEAM TO THE LIMITS. EVEN IF WE MAINTAIN OUR, OUR STAFF LEVELS, HOW ARE WE DOING ON EQUIPMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE MOVING AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE FOR, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. IF YOU RECALL LIKE THREE MEETINGS AGO, WE GOT YOU ALL THE BIGGER STREET PAVER SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FASTER ON 13TH STREET OR ON, UH, THE DIFFERENT, THE LARGER STREETS, RIGHT. HOW ARE WE LOOKING HERE? RIGHT. SO, UM, SOME ITEMS HERE THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE FOR THE STREET DRAINAGE PROGRAM WAS GONNA BE, WE KNOW, KEEPING IN MIND, HOPING FOR A THIRD, UM, DRAINAGE CREW, RIGHT? WHICH YOU'RE GONNA SEE IN THE PERSONNEL. WE ARE REQUESTING EQUIPMENT OPERATORS FOR A THIRD DRAINAGE CREW. UM, SO OF COURSE THERE'S AN EXCAVATOR, A LOADER, WE ALREADY HAVE AN EXCAVATOR, WE ALREADY HAVE A LOADER. SO THERE'S SOME PIECE OF EQUIPMENT HERE THAT HAS THAT IN MIND, RIGHT? WE'RE GONNA NEED, UH, IF WE GET THE PERSONNEL, WE'RE GONNA NEED THOSE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT. UM, BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE SMART GRADE, THOSE FIRST THREE, THAT'S GONNA BE TO BE MORE EFFICIENT WITH THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. SO INSTEAD OF DOING, UM, OR USING THE BLUE TOP RIGHT FOR GRADING, UM, AND WHENEVER WE DO ON OUR, OUR DRAINAGE PROJECTS, DOING, HAVING SMART GRADE, UM, TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY WITH OUR EQUIPMENT WILL HELP US BE JUST MORE EFFICIENT AND BE ABLE TO, UH, WORK BETTER ON OUR PROJECTS. WE DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE DEADLINES AND THE TIMELINES ARE CRUNCHED SOMETIMES. SO WE DO, WE, THAT'S WHY WE PUT THOSE TYPE OF EQUIPMENTS WITH THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE NOW JUST TO, UH, BE ABLE TO WORK BETTER WITH WHAT WE HAVE. AND THE COST OF THOSE THREE ITEMS, DO THEY, WILL THEY PAY FOR THEMSELVES OR WILL THEY NOT? IF YOU CONSIDER THE, I GUESS HOW FAST WE'LL BE ABLE TO BE MORE EFFICIENT, CORRECT. RIGHT. WITH TIME RATHER THAN DOING THE OLD SCHOOL, I'M NOT GONNA SAY OLD SCHOOL WAY. RIGHT. BUT THE OTHER WAY OF DOING THE , YOU KNOW, DOING IT WITH THE BLUE TOPS, UH, THIS IS MORE, UM, UM, ADVANCED, [01:55:01] YOU KNOW, TECHNOLOGY, YOU JUST PROGRAM IT AND THE BLADE WILL DO IT FOR YOU. IT'S A LOT FASTER AND EFFICIENT. OKAY. COMMISSIONER? JUST AS AN FYI, WE DON'T GENERATE ANY REVENUE OFF OF DRAINAGE . NO, I UNDERSTAND. BUT THE WAY I SEE IT IS WE'RE PUTTING, WHEN WE HAVE THEM THERE, IT'S COST OF LIKE OPERATION. RIGHT? RIGHT. AND I WANNA LOWER THE COST OF OPERATION AND, YOU KNOW, INCREASE, UH, THE, THE, THE PRODUCTS THAT WE'RE GETTING IN THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME. RIGHT. RIGHT. SO THAT'S, TO THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND GETTING THE, THE, THE NEWEST AND GREATEST IS ALWAYS COOL, BUT WILL THESE ACTUALLY MAKE A LEGITIMATE IMPACT OR IS IT JUST GONNA SPEED US UP, YOU KNOW, AN HOUR? UM, AS FAR AS THE TIME, I DO THINK IT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT IN THE OPERATION. UM, WE DO HAVE OVERTIME AND DRAINAGE THAT WE ARE USING UP WITH THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE. WE'VE HAD A STAFF COMING ON SATURDAYS. UM, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK FOR. OTHER METHODS AND OTHER PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, HOW WE CAN IMPROVE THE PROCESS, RIGHT. OF THE, THE PROJECTS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE WITH DRAINAGE. SO I CAN TELL YOU AN EXACT NUMBER OF HOW MANY HOURS THEY'RE GONNA SAVE WITH IT, BUT FOR SURE IT WILL, UM, BE A MORE EFFECTIVE WAY OF DOING THE PROCESS. YOU THINK YOU CAN GET US A PLAN BY MONDAY TO SHOW US MARKET IMPROVEMENTS WITH CERTAIN PIECES OF EQUIPMENT? SO 'CAUSE WE ALL HAVE DRAINAGE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF, OR WE'RE WAITING FOR THAT WE WANNA BE, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT'S WHY THE IMPORTANCE, I KNOW THE DRAINAGE HAS BEEN A REALLY, REALLY, UM, HOT TOPIC, RIGHT? AND WE KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF IT AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HOPING FOR A THIRD, UH, DRAINAGE CREW. BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST HEARING HOW TIGHT THE BUDGET IS, THAT MIGHT NOT BE POSSIBLE. UM, BUT UM, FOR SURE I'LL GET YOU THOSE NUMBERS. UM, WE DO FEEL THAT THERE'S, FOR EXAMPLE, I DID HIGHLIGHT THE EXCAVATOR. THAT'S, THAT'S IF WE WERE TO GET A THIRD DRAINAGE CREW, THE WHEEL LOADER, THE ONE FOR 313,000, THAT WAS, IF WE WERE TO GET A THIRD DRAINAGE CREW AS WELL AS THE FORD F TWO 50, THAT WOULD BE, WE WERE TO GET A, A, A THIRD DRAINAGE CREW. THE REST ARE EQUIPMENT THAT WE CURRENTLY NEED WITH WHAT WE HAVE WITH THE TWO DRAINAGE CREWS THAT WE HAVE. MM-HMM . AND IS ANYTHING ON THIS LIST, UH, ON ITS LAST LEG THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED? AND WITH PD THOSE THINGS ARE LIKE A HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES, 150,000 MILES, RIGHT? SO THEY'RE, OR THE 10 YEAR, UH, NETWORK SWITCHES, THOSE ARE ALMOST GETTING INTO QUINCEANERA AGE. RIGHT. AND SO NO, AS YOU ALLALL KNOW, UM, OUR DRAINAGE CREW IS PRETTY FAIRLY NEW, RIGHT? OR EQUIPMENT'S FAIRLY NEW. THREE YEARS OLD. THREE YEARS OLD. UM, YOU KNOW, OUR EQUIPMENT, SO IT'S NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, AGE. IT, THIS IS MORE SO NOW THAT THE DRAINAGE OPERATION IS GOING, WE'RE NEED, WE'RE SEEING THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL PIECE OF EQUIPMENT LIKE THE SKID STEER, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, UH, CULVERTS THAT WE CAN BENEFIT IF WE WERE TO GET A SKI SKID STEER AS WELL AS, UM, THE WATER TRUCK. RIGHT NOW WE ARE OPERATING WITH ONE WATER TRUCK AND IT'S AN H WATER TRUCK. SO IT'S SHARED BETWEEN STREET MAINTENANCE, BETWEEN PAVING AND BETWEEN DRAINAGE. SO, SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE SEEING THAT ARE NEEDED, UM, THAT WERE NOT ADDED IN THE BEGINNING WHEN WE STARTED THE DRAINAGE CREW. GOING A LITTLE FAST FOR ME. WHAT, WHAT ARE, WHERE ARE YOU? UM, BOTTOM OF PAGE 13. TOP OF PAGE 14. I GOT IT. BUT YOU SAID SKID SKI? SAY THAT AGAIN? SKID STEER. SKID STEER. I DON'T SEE THAT. WHERE'S THAT? THAT ONE'S GOING TO BE, IS THAT CALLED SOMETHING ELSE? IS THAT LIKE, IT'S ABOVE, IT'S AT THE TOP OF PAGE 13. THE SMART GRADE. IT SAYS STREET MAINTENANCE. OH, OKAY. I'M LOOKING UNDER DRAINAGE. I'M SORRY. YEAH, YOU'RE CORRECT. OH NO. SO AND THE DRAINAGE, IT'S GONNA BE THE, THE LAST ONE UNDER THE PAGE 13. SO THAT A PT COMPACT TRACK LOADER, THAT'S A SKID STEER FOR DRAINAGE. SO, UM, THE 3, 3, 3 PT COMPACT LOADER. OKAY. THAT'S GONNA BE THE SKID STEER. OKAY. MM-HMM . THAT'S WHY I WAS OKAY. I WAS NOT FOLLOWING. AND SO, OKAY. RUTH, YOU'RE ASKING FOR A LOT HERE, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE DRAINAGE, DRAINAGE GROUP. CLEARLY IF WE REDUCE THE, THE, THE TAX RATE BY, UM, A FRACTION, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO HAVE THE REOCCURRING COST FOR A DRAINAGE. I THINK THAT'S CLEAR. SO, UM, ASSUMING THAT THAT'S THE CASE, YOU'VE GOT A QUITE A, QUITE A BIT OF ASK WHAT, WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES HERE IN TERMS OF DRAINAGE THAT YOU WOULD NEED IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO, UM, MEET YOUR GOALS IN TERMS OF TIMELINE FOR EXISTING PROJECTS FOR 16 PROJECTS? FOR SURE. IF YOU HAD TO GIMME A CHOICE, UM, THE TOP THREE, I HEARD YOU SAY THAT WOULD BE THE, THE TOP THREE TO BE MORE EFFICIENT. AND I'LL GET YOU THOSE NUMBERS. I'LL DO SOME RESEARCH TO GET THOSE NUMBERS FOR YOU FOR MONDAY'S WORKSHOP. OKAY. UM, AND THEN FOR SURE THE, UH, WATER TRUCK, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW, OUR CURRENT WATER TRUCK, LIKE I MENTIONED, IT'S AGED AND IT'S BEING SHARED BETWEEN THREE, THREE DIVISIONS AND IT'S CURRENTLY DOWN. SO IT'S [02:00:01] BEEN DOWN SINCE LAST WEEK. AND WE HAVE RECEIVED, YOU KNOW, COMPLAINTS ABOUT DIRT AND DUST BECAUSE WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE A WATER TRUCK, SO THAT'S ANOTHER ONE THAT WE REALLY NEED. SO THE LEAD, WELL, 4K, THE 1 76. YEAH. OKAY. MARY, IF I MAY. YES, SIR. SO IF YOU CONSIDER THOSE, UH, PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT WILL BE TIED TO A THIRD, UH, DRAINAGE CREW, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT, UH, OVER $1.2 MILLION PLUS THE REOCCURRING COST OF THE PAYROLL FOR THOSE, WE CAN'T AFFORD IT. RIGHT? SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT CLOSE TO $2 MILLION, RIGHT? MM-HMM . BUT THE ONE-TIME EXPENSES LIKE ALMOST $1.2 MILLION MM-HMM . RIGHT? BUT IT, THAT'S A ONE-TIME EXPENSE. AND THEN WE MIGHT NOT EVEN HAVE 1.2 MILLION RIGHT. FOR EVERYTHING. RIGHT? SO, UM, THAT'S WHY IT'S SO JUST IN CASE ACTING, YOU KNOW, ASSUMING THAT, THAT THAT'S GONNA BE THE CASE. RIGHT? AND THEN IF THAT IS, THEN YOUR MUST HAVES ARE THE TOP THREE, THE, AND THEN THE, THE 95,000 FOR THE PT COMPACT TRACK LOADER AND ANOTHER WATER TRUCK. AND IS THAT, THOSE ARE YOUR PRIORITIES AND IT'S SKID STEER RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE IT. UH, A SKID STEER ON THE STREET MAINTENANCE, IT'S UNDER, WELL IT DRAINAGE AND STREET MAINTENANCE, THEY BOTH REQUESTED ONE STREET MAINTENANCE, UH, NEEDS ONE AS WELL. UH, BUT DRAINAGE TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THOSE CULVERTS, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO ANY KIND OF MAINTENANCE, UM, TO THOSE CULVERTS. SO THAT'S WHY WE WOULD, THAT WE WOULD BENEFIT FROM MS. . SO I, I WAS WATCHING, UH, ON FACEBOOK DRAINAGE DISTRICT NUMBER FIVE, UH, I IT WAS IN YOUR NECK OF THE WOODS, COMMISSIONER PEREZ, THEY PUT THAT SKID STEER IN THE DITCH. YES. AND IT WAS CLEARING, YOU'RE NOT THAT CULVERT, THAT'S WHAT YOU WANTED FOR, RIGHT? YES. THAT, THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO, UH, MAINTAIN THOSE CULVERTS AND WE DON'T HAVE ONE. OKAY. AND THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE VERY TOP OF 75,000? YES. YES. ON THE PAGE. OKAY. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE ONE IN THE VERY BOTTOM, THAT'S 95,000, THAT WOULD BE FOR THAT THIRD DRAINAGE CREW? NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT RUTH SAID. NO. THE 3 3 3 PP TIER COMPACT TRACK LOADER. YEAH, THAT'S A, A SKID STEER. UH, FOR 95,000. THIS ONE WAS A QUOTE THAT, UM, OUR DRAINAGE SUPERINTENDENT WAS ABLE TO OBTAIN. AND THE OTHER ONE WAS, UM, A DIFF A DIFFERENT MODEL OF SKID STEER THAT WAS FROM STREET MAINTENANCE. THAT'S DIF TWO DIFFERENT DIVISIONS, TWO DIFFERENT OPERATIONS. UM, BUT THEY'RE BOTH REQUESTING SOME THE SAME TYPE OF EQUIPMENT SIMILAR TO IT. BUT RIGHT NOW, SPEAKING WITH DRAINAGE, UH, WE DON'T HAVE A, A SKID STEER AND DRAINAGE. SO IT WOULD BE THE $95,000 ONE. CORRECT. SO THAT IS NOT FOR NEW DRAINAGE CREW. THAT'S A MUST HAVE FOR RIGHT NOW WOULD BE, YES. SO, OKAY, SO I'M RIGHT. SO IT'S 75,000 ON, I'M JUST, UH, YEAH. YES, I'M RIGHT. , I, AND, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO BEING ABLE TO COMPLETE ON THE PROJECTS THAT ARE EXISTING AND, AND, AND WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN, YOU KNOW, EACH OF YOU HAVE ALREADY TOLD YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS WHAT, WHAT'S COMING. AND WE ALREADY HAVE A PLAN AND WE HAVE A GREAT DIRECTOR AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE TO SET YOU UP FOR SUCCESS. AND WE CAN'T DO THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE, THE EQUIPMENT THAT YOU NEED. SO THE MUST HAVES ARE ON STREET MAINTENANCE. THE, THE SKID, THE SKID STEER, THAT'S 75,000. THEN YOU HAVE THE TOP THREE ON STREET DRAINAGE, AND THEN THE LAST ITEM, THE 3 3 3 P TIER COMPACT TRACK LOADER, 95,000 AND A WATER TRUCK. AND THAT'S IT. YES MA'AM. OKAY. YOU GOT THAT GABE? UH, YES. SO WE'RE SAYING THERE'S TOP THREE WE'RE DEFINITELY PUTTING IN THE WELL THAT'S WHAT, GREEN COLUMN, NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE SAID THAT WELL, THAT'S WHAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT'S WHAT SHE'S SAYING. CORRECT THAT, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SO WE'RE GONNA GET THAT ANALYSIS DONE AND THAT WILL BE CLOSER TO DETERMINING CORRECT. IN MY MIND, AT LEAST THE TOP THREE IN STATE DRAINAGE. SO, SO THE POINT FOR THIS IS FOR, YOU KNOW, THAT WHEN WE ARE, AND I THINK THAT, AND FOR YOU TWO, ROBERT, WHEN, WHEN WE COME BACK ON THE SECOND WORKSHOP, UM, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT, HOPEFULLY WE HAVE, UM, POLICE, WE'VE GOT SOME, SOME NUMBERS, AND THEN WE HAVE SOME REAL, UM, DECISIONS TO MAKE, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO, INSTEAD OF SAYING WHAT THE COST IS, UH, I, I'D LIKE FOR IT TO REALLY REPRESENT WHAT THESE SPECIFIC NEEDS ARE. PUBLIC WORKS CODE, LIKE THESE THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS, WHAT IS A DOLLAR VALUE AND HOW DO WE GET THERE? SO, AND, AND THEN I THINK THAT'S HOW WE DECIDE. I MEAN, THAT'S HOW, WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING MM-HMM . FOR, FOR OUR TAX RATE. I DO HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH. WHEN YOU SAID THAT WE WILL GET THE POLICE NUMBERS, THAT'S FOR THE POLICE CARS ONLY, CORRECT? NO, NO, NO. I'M SAYING WE RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T, WE'RE JUST PRETENDING, UH, THE CBA, THAT'S LIKE A BIG AMOUNT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NUMBERS THAT ARE HERE ARE, ARE ILLUSIONARY. LIKE THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT REAL BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO GIVE THEM FUNDING. MM-HMM . [02:05:01] SO THIS, WE'RE, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WON'T HAVE THAT FOR MONDAY 'CAUSE I WON'T BE MEETING WITH THEM UNTIL TUESDAY. OKAY. WELL THEN WE MIGHT NEED AN ADDITIONAL WORKSHOP. WE PUSH BACK MONDAY SO WE CAN, OR WE PUSH BACK MONDAY. WE JUST YEAH. IF WE'RE NOT READY TO GO, THEN LET'S, LET'S HAVE HAVE IT AT ANOTHER TIME. I'M JUST SAYING BECAUSE IT'S NOT FAIR, UM, TO Y'ALL. UH, AND THEN THE COMMUNITY'S GONNA HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, UH, IMAGINARY NUMBER THAT THAT ISN'T REAL. AND SO IF WE CAN, I THINK WE'LL BE MORE PRODUCTIVE WITH, WITH REAL NUMBERS. BUT I DO, I FEEL THAT WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO, UM, GET THE BASIC NEEDS FOR, FOR PUBLIC WORKS AND FOR ANNA AND FOR PARKS AND FOR SHANNON . AND, AND, AND, AND SO, SO LET'S, UM, LET'S WORK, LET'S WORK TOWARDS THAT. OKAY. YEAH. SO JUST CUT THE WEIGHT. CUT, CUT EVERYTHING. YEP. YOU KNOW, NEED. YEAH. AND, AND, AND, AND LET'S, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS FOR THE ENTIRE STAFF. LIKE YOU, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU REALLY DO NEED IN ORDER TO DO YOUR JOB AND TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED. NOT EVERYTHING IN THE KITCHEN SINK. AND THEN QUESTION PUMP FITTINGS. WALK ME THROUGH THAT. PUMP FITTINGS WOULD BE THE HOSES AND EVERYTHING THAT WE, YOU KNOW, HOW WE OBTAIN, UH, PUMPS. SO WE NEED TO, UH, UH, PURCHASE ALSO LIKE EVERYTHING THAT GOES WITH IT, UM, HOSES AND THE FITTINGS SO THAT THEY CAN BE OPERATIONAL AT A HUNDRED PERCENT. I THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT ONE. . ABSOLUTELY. COMMISSIONER, YOU'RE GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. WELL, DUDE, I'M TELLING YOU, IT'S BECAUSE I'M, I HAVE, AND I, AND I'VE TALKED TO CHRIS AND I'VE TALKED TO OSCAR AND I'VE TALKED TO RUTH ABOUT THIS. IF YOU LOOK AT SPANISH, A SPANISH OR SECLUDED ACRES, THE DISTANCE FROM THE TOP OF THE, UH, EMBANKMENT OF THE DRAINAGE CANAL TO THE STREET LEVEL, WE NEED LIKE TWO LINES OR ONE SUPER LONG LINE. YEAH. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, BECAUSE LAST THING WE WANT IS TO HAVE A PUMP AND THEN YOU DON'T LITERALLY HAVE THE LONG ENOUGH LINE TO GET IT TO GO WHERE YOU NEED IT TO AND THE OTHER PLACE TO GO DUMP IT WHERE YOU NEED IT TO. IT'S LIKE A STUPID THING, BUT IT'S ONE OF THOSE IMPORTANT THINGS. RIGHT? YOU CAN'T TALK TO 'EM ANYMORE. NO, I, I'VE SEEN IT. 'CAUSE I'VE HAD TO ASK THEM BECAUSE I, ONE TIME THEY PUT IT UP THERE AND THEY HAD THE HOSE AND IT DIDN'T REACH THE LOWEST POINT. AND SO HOUSES WERE GONNA FLOOD BEFORE THE PUMPS STARTED BECOMING ACTIVE. THAT'S WHAT WAS MY CONCERN. SO, SO TO BE FAIR, THAT THAT IS AN AESTHETIC. THE EXACT REASON WHY WE'RE ASKING YOU THIS IS THAT SO, YOU KNOW, REEVALUATE IT. AND IF YOU NEED TO KIND OF GO BACK AND, AND, AND LOOK AT IT WITH YOUR TEAM AND SAY, OKAY, THESE ARE THE REASONS, AND THEN TELL US WHY, BECAUSE THAT'S IMPORTANT, RIGHT? IF IT'S GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE WITH SOMEBODY GETTING WATER IN THEIR HOME OR NOT, THEN THAT'S NON-NEGOTIABLE, RIGHT? RIGHT. SO LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT, LET'S LOOK AT THAT VERY, VERY CAREFULLY. OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN IF WE LOOK AT PAGE 12, TOP OF PAGE 12, ROBERT, FULL ENGINE. ROBERT, ROBERTO, ROBERTO OR ROBERT. I CALL HIM ROBERTO. SORRY, I APOLOGIZE. I APOLOGIZE. WHICH ONE? I WAS ONLY ONE. ROBERTO THE OG. YES, THE OG THE ENGINEER OF THE YEAR. A LITTLE BIT THOUGH. THERE WE GO. THE STYLISH. YES SIR. YES MA'AM. UM, THE TOP OF PAGE 12 SAYS FULL ENGINEERING DESIGN FOR DRAINAGE PROJECT. WHICH PROJECT IS THAT? THAT IS THE $375 QUESTION. ESSENTIALLY. UM, WE WOULD BE UTILIZING THE MASTER DRAINAGE PLAN TO SELECT ONE OF THE THREE. WELL, THERE'S, UH, 39 PROJECTS WITHIN THE MASTER DRAINAGE PLAN. RIGHT? UM, IT WOULD BE ONE THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY INVOLVE THE VERY SIMILAR TO THE JEFFERSON PROJECT. WHAT I DID, I LOOKED AT THE, UH, ARPA, UH, THAT'S BASICALLY ABOUT THE PRICE WE AWARDED EACH OF THOSE PROJECTS. THE JEFFERSON, THE, UH, FIFTH AND SEVENTH. UM, RIGHT NOW THE TOP THREE CONTENDERS HAVE BEEN FOR THE, UM, THE WEST STREET. I KNOW WE SUBMITTED A GRANT. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE WAITING ON THE DISCUSSION OR THE RESULTS. UH, WE ALSO HAVE THE LITTLE CREEK AND, AND OVER THERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT EBONY STREET, UH, CANAL. AND IT INVOLVES, UM, SIZING THE PIPING TO DRAIN IT OUT TO THE ARROYO. THERE'S UM, THERE'S NO ONE PROJECT AT THE MOMENT, BUT IT WOULD BE STRAIGHT FROM THE MASTER DRAINAGE PLAN. AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE FULL ENGINEERING SURVEYING, GEOTECHNICAL ENVIRONMENTAL REPORTS. UH, WE HAVE BEEN DOING PROJECTS IN-HOUSE. UH, YOU'VE SEEN IT AT THE SPANISH INCLUDED ACRES, THE SKYLINE, HICKORY HILL, PART OF THOSE, THE CROSSINGS, UH, THE 13TH STREET RIGHT NOW IS THE ONE WE'RE CLOSE TO WRAPPING UP, BUT IT'S JUST SO THAT WE HAVE, UM, ONE PROJECT SHOVEL READY. SO FOR THE NEXT BRICK GRANT OR FEMA RELATED GRANT PROJECT, WE COULD SUBMIT A FULL PACKET AND BE COMPETITIVE. WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS ONCE YOU HAVE A VERY SHOVEL READY PROJECT, YOU SCORE A LOT HIGHER THAN REQUESTING IT FROM THE BOTTOM. [02:10:01] AND THAT'S WHAT SENATOR AND ALSO SAID. AND I THINK A COUPLE OF THE OTHER ONES, THEY ALL SAY THEY WANT THE DESIGNS DONE. CORRECT. READY TO START THROWING GR THROWING DIRT. I THINK WE SHOULD DO IT WELL. WELL WE ADDING IT TO THE LIST. WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO YEAH. BUT THEY PAIR IT DOWN. BUT, BUT THESE ARE, THESE ARE NOT. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF WE COME UP WITH A PROJECT THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY THAT. YEP. IT'S A ONE TIME THAT WE TAKE IT OUT OF THE FUND BALANCE. OKAY. AND NOT PUT IT OUT HERE BECAUSE THIS I AGREE. THAT WORKS. YEAH. IT YOU SCARED GABE THERE, RIGHT THERE, HUH? YEAH. NO, I SAW GABE'S EXPRESSION. . NO, I, I, YEAH, I AGREE. ALRIGHT, SO, UM, SO THEN WE'LL IDENTIFY, STRIKE IT AND MM-HMM . STRIKE IT. AND THEN I'LL PUT MY NOTES. UH, FUN BALANCE. HE'S NOT GONNA FORGET , RIGHT? WHEN YOU THINK I DO. 'CAUSE LIKE A MONTH HAS GONE BY, YOU CAN GET THAT LIKE 2:00 AM EMAIL. HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS? YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, UM, UH, SCHEDULE, SCHEDULE THOSE SO THAT THEY'RE NOT BOTHERED. RIGHT. UM, DANIEL JUST ENDED AT TWO WITH INTENTION. MM-HMM . GREAT INTENTIONS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ROBERTO? UH, THOSE TRAFFIC LIGHT CABINETS, DID YOU ASK A QUESTION? YEAH, I JUST, OH, CAN I GO? UH, NO, I THINK IT'S RUTH. OH, SORRY. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, RUTH, WHILE YOU'RE WALKING UP HERE, UH, THESE ARE THE CABINETS THAT MAKE SURE OUR STREET LIGHTS ARE WORKING. YES. YES. AND WE DO REPLACE THEM. WE DO HAVE OLD CABINETS. UM, AND DO, WE DO HAVE THOSE REPLACED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. AND THEN IT ALSO, UM, HAPPENS TOWARDS ACCIDENTS AND THEN WE HAVE TO, TO REPLACE THOSE CABINETS. BUT YEAH, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT DO THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS WHEN THERE'S AN ACCIDENT. JUST RANDOM QUESTION MARK AS WELL. IF THERE IS AN ACCIDENT, DRUNK DRIVER HITS T-BONES, ANOTHER CAR HITS THE CABINET, DO WE EVER GO AFTER THEM FOR PROPERTY DAMAGES? YES. OKAY. IF THAT'S THE YEAH. WE SUBMIT REPORTS FOR ANY KIND OF ACCIDENT THAT THERE IS TO ANY TYPE OF OUR EQUIPMENT OR, YOU KNOW, INFRASTRUCTURE, THINGS LIKE THAT. WE WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT A REPORT THROUGH, UM, THROUGH RISK AND, AND YOU KNOW, THEY'LL DO THE INVESTIGATION. HARRISON AND COMMERCE WAS THE LAST ONE. YEAH. ALSO THE ONE ON F AND, UH, HARRISON AND TYLER. TYLER, YEAH. THAT ONE WAS OUT FOR QUITE A BIT. HEY, THAT'S WHERE WE WERE AT THE ORANGE LIGHT RIGHT BY THE AUTO ZONE. OKAY. I THINK WE NEED TO ADD THE 1288 COMPLIANT PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK BUTTONS. UM, YEP. WE HAD THAT MEETING. UH, ANNA REMEMBER, I THINK THAT'S A SAFETY ISSUE. I THINK MAYOR, WE NEED TO UP THAT AMOUNT. I DON'T THINK TWELVE'S ENOUGH, BUT I DON'T YEAH. WHAT, WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE ARE COVERING THE COMMUNITY ON THOSE CROSSWALKS WE HAD. I KNOW ANA WENT WITH ME AND WE TALKED TO A GROUP AND THEN WE'RE TRYING TO SEE WHAT WE CAN TO BE, UM, A DA COMPLIANT. I KNOW THAT STAFF DID A GREAT JOB AND THEN, UM, THEY LET US KNOW THAT IT WASN'T SO GREAT AFTER ALL. RIGHT. SO I THINK ABOUT GETTING FEEDBACK RIGHT FROM, FROM, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY THAT'S REALLY UTILIZING IT. SO WE, I THINK THAT'S A, A MUST HAVE. I AGREE. RIGHT NOW, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT ON THIS, THIS ALEXIS, BUT IN DOWNTOWN WE'RE USING A YEP. A ROBOT TO LITERALLY, UH, UH, DO AS DO AN ASSESSMENT ON ALL OUR SEAT, UH, OUR STREET, UH, SIDEWALKS. MM-HMM . ON A DA ACCESSIBILITY. WELL, I WILL SAY THAT, UM, IT'S CALLED WALLY JUST A, A, A TEMPORARY, UM, SEASON IN MY LIFE WHEN I WAS WALKING AROUND WITH THE BOOT, WHEN I BROKE MY FOOT AND, UM, HAVING TO GO THROUGH DOWNTOWN WAS REALLY DIFFICULT FOR, FOR ME. AND I WENT AND I BOUGHT LIKE, GIFT CARDS FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT LITTLE BUSINESSES. IT WAS CHRISTMAS TIME AND IT WAS HARD GETTING IN AND OUT. AND THAT'S JUST TEMPORARY INCONVENIENCE FOR SOMEONE THAT I COULD STILL WALK. BUT I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO DOWNTOWN. AGREED. WHAT'S THE RRFB? THAT'S A RAPID FLASHING BEACON. UM, IT'S KIND OF SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE, UM, OR I'M TRYING TO THINK WHERE WE HAVE ONE RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S LIKE THOSE PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALKS AND THEY'RE FLASHING. UM, IT'S ONE OF THOSE FLASHERS THAT YOU HAVE FOR WHENEVER YOU'RE CROSSING A STREET. WE JUST PUT SOME UP LIKE A YEAR AGO OFF OF, UH, RIGHT ACROSS FROM CITY LAKE. RIGHT. TO CROSS CITY LAKE. YES. YES. EXACTLY LIKE THAT ONE. THANK YOU. THERE USED TO BE SOME ON TREASURE HILLS ALSO, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. WE, THEY JUST DISAPPEARED. YEAH. TOOK THEM DOWN. SO I DON'T THINK WE PUT 'EM UP. WHICH ONES TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE CROSSWALK [02:15:01] AT A ROYAL PARK, THAT'S WHAT THIS WOULD DO. CORRECT. OKAY. I THINK WE GOT THAT, I THINK THEN, YES. I'M JUST LOOKING IN TERMS OF, UM, A PEER SAFETY, UH, LENS AND THE SCHOOL ZONE FLASHERS. MM-HMM . AS WELL. WANT TO DROP OFF THE MOOSE TODAY. AND I MEANT TO REACH OUT TO YOU GUYS, UH, BUT THE ONES BY, UM, ECA WASN'T WORKING WELL. DO THE, THE SCHOOLS, UH, PARTICIPATE IN ANY OF THAT? I JUST A QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW. THEY DON'T YOU BY WHERE? E-C-A-E-C-A, I DON'T KNOW WHAT EARLY ACADEMY. YES, I, I'VE SEEN THAT BENEATH THEM THERE. YEAH, I JUST, THIS MORNING I WAS, HAPPENED TO BE DRIVING AND I SAW LIKE, IT, LIKE FLASHED A LITTLE BIT, THEN IT STOPPED FLASHING AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU HAVE TO DROP OFF YOUR KID AND THEN YOU STOP THINKING ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE AND TRY NOT TO HIT ANYONE. BUT THEY TURNED OFF AT A CERTAIN TIME TOO. WAS THAT IT WAS DURING, IT WAS LIKE DURING DROP OFF. OH, OKAY. SO USUALLY STAFF, UH, DOES AN ASSESSMENT RIGHT BEFORE THE, UM, THE SEASON OF SCHOOL STARTING. AND MORE THAN LIKELY THEY DID GET TO THOSE, BUT YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE ARE PRETTY OLD. AND SO MORE THAN LIKELY, JUST FOR NOW. AND I'M SORRY I MISSED THE LOCATION 'CAUSE I KNOW, I DO KNOW, I WAS TALKING TO ARNOLD EARLIER TODAY. HE TOLD ME THAT THEY WERE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH ONE SCHOOL, BUT, UM, IF YOU COULD GIMME THE LOCATION, WE CAN LOOK INTO IT. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER, I THINK WE'RE CAUGHT UP. WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU. MOVING ON. OH, LAST THING ACTUALLY. ONE ON 11 PORTABLE BUILDINGS FOR HIGH PROFILE VEHICLES. STORAGE, TWO FOR FIRE ON 11. WE DON'T CHIEF WE DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO STORE THOSE THINGS. NO, NOT CURRENTLY. EVEN AT THE BARN, UH, WITH WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE DO THE SAND PICKUP WHERE EVERYONE DOES THE SAND PICK, WE CAN'T STICK 'EM IN THERE. WHAT WE'D RATHER DO IS HAVE 'EM AT A STATION SO WE CAN TURN 'EM ON AND, AND RUN 'EM. UH, IF WE LEAVE THEM OUT THERE, THEY'RE JUST GONNA BE OUT THERE AND NOBODY'S GONNA, UH, MAINTAIN THEM. THE, THE ONE ON THE STATION ON MURKOWSKI, DOESN'T IT HAVE A BAY THAT YOU CAN PUT IT IN? MURKOWSKI. THAT'S THE TRAINING. UH, I'M SORRY. UH, GLASCOCK, UH, WELL, WE HAVE 'EM AT A STATION. SOME OF 'EM ARE INSIDE AND SOME, MOST OF 'EM ARE OUTSIDE. OH, OKAY. UH, WE, WE TOOK OVER ALL SIX OF 'EM NOW, SO WE'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN ALL SIX. OKAY. SO THAT, I UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HIGH PROFILE, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE DEE AND A HALFS? YES. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. MATTER OF FACT, THIS WAS, THIS WAS ONE PROJECT THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, UH, LATER THIS YEAR WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE DATA ISSUANCE. YEAH, NO, I KNOW THE, THE FOUR AND A HALF. YEAH. YEAH. UM, AND SO WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE TO STATION THE, THESE SIX AROUND THE TOWN? WE WOULD, WHAT WE WOULD DO IS PROBABLY MAINTAIN THEM AT, AT ONE STATION. WELL, THE PLAN IS IF IT'S APPROVED, WE'LL HAVE ALL SIX OF 'EM AT STATION EIGHT. AND THAT'S WHERE WE WERE GONNA PUT THESE, UH, UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS METAL BUILDINGS SO THAT WE CAN STORE 'EM IN THERE. UH, AND THEY COULD BE MAINTAINED THERE BY OUR STAFF. AND IF WE SEE A STORM COMING OR SOMETHING AT THAT POINT, WE'LL DISPERSE 'EM TO THE DIFFERENT STATIONS. SO LIKE WHAT CHIEF DANIELS HAS LIKE ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS, CHIEF GENE DANIELS OVER IN LOS ZOS. HE HAS A BIG METAL BUILDING. UH, YEAH. IT'S JUST GONNA BE IN ADDITION TO THIS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ADD IT TO THE STATION, GET A, A SLAB, AND THEN PUT A METAL BUILDING THERE, UH, WITH, WITH, UH, DOORS. AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ONE ON GRIMES, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. STATION EIGHT. YEAH. AND THE 4.5, I KNOW WE MENTIONED THE 4.5, THAT'S FOR A SMALLER STATION FOR MAYBE, UH, JUST HAVING ONE UNIT AND, UH, AND, AND TWO OF THE CAPTAINS THERE. I KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT, UH, MAYBE GETTING A, UH, A STATION WITH COMBINING THE ADMINISTRATION AND EOC. THAT'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE. SO WHATEVER THE WISHES OF THE COMMISSION IS, THAT'LL BE THE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED. MM-HMM . BANK OF AMERICA KNEW WHAT YOU WANTED THAT LAND FOR, MAN. THEY THEY JUST DEMO. THEY KNEW BABY JUST SAID. I THOUGHT THAT'S WHY THEY WERE KNOCKING IT DOWN FOR US. . NO, HE, HE SERIOUSLY ASKED ME. HEY, SO WE'RE KNOCKING IT DOWN FOR A FIRE STATION. NO, WE'RE NOT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THEN, THEN WHAT'S, I APOLOGIZE, CHIEF, ONE LAST THING. THE DRAFTING PIT FOR TRAINING FIELD, WHAT IS THAT? NO, THE DRAFTING PIT IS WHAT WE USE TO DO OUR, UM, OUR, UH, PUMP TEST ON OUR UNITS, WHICH IS, UH, WE NEED TO DO THAT EVERY YEAR FOR ISO PURPOSES. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT IS, IS AT MURKOWSKI THAT NEEDS TO BE TRANSFERRED OVER TO OUR NEW TRAINING FIELD BEHIND THE EOC. IF WE CAN BUILD THAT OVER THERE, WE CAN ACTUALLY SELL THE PROPERTY AT MURKOWSKI IF Y'ALL WANT TO DO THAT. AND MAYBE USE SOME OF THAT MONEY FOR THE STATION, UM, OR [02:20:01] WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO WITH THAT PROPERTY. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE LAST THING THAT WE NEED TO MOVE OVER THERE. WELL, ONCE WE START HAVING THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE CAPITAL OUTLAY UHHUH, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED TO HAVE ADDITIONAL EXTERNAL INFUSION OF CASH INTO THAT FOR NOW. SO I THINK MAYBE WE, WE SHOULD HANG ON TO THAT MARKOWSKI STATION 'CAUSE IT COULD ALWAYS BE USED FOR SOMETHING ELSE. SURE. MM-HMM . OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU CHIEF. THANK YOU, ROBERT. UH, JUST REAL QUICK, WERE WE ADDING THE RFB IN THE, WERE, WE ARE ADDING THE RRFB AND THE SCHOOL FLASHERS? YES. YES. I THINK LAST YEAR, UM, COMMISSIONER BETIS AND I ASKED Y'ALL FOR KIND OF A, A RUNNING TOTAL OF WHAT WE WERE ADDING, SO THAT WAY WE COULD SEE WHAT THAT NUMBER LOOKED LIKE. OH YEAH. IF WE COULD DO THAT AT THE NEXT, FOR THE NEXT ONE YEAH. AT THE NEXT MEETING WE COULD HAVE THAT. YEAH. THAT WAY WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT AND YES, GABE CAN TELL US WHEN WE NEED TO STOP. OKAY. NOT JUST 'CAUSE HE WANTS TO, BUT HUH. IF HE NEEDS TO . OKAY. UH, WHERE DID WE LEAVE OFF? WE DID THE BILLING INSPECTIONS, THE 84,000. THAT'S THE LAST ONE THAT WE LEFT OFF ON. RIGHT. YOU'RE ON PAGE. UM, AND THE TENNIS COURTS WAS 20. YEAH. SO THEN WE START WITH THE, UH, ENTERPRISE FUNDS, WHICH INCLUDE THE SANITATION, WHICH ARE REQUESTING A MILLION. 1 38, 1 74 RUSSIAN DEBRIS, 1 MILLION 2 97, 7 1 2 LANDFILL, 1 MILLION 943, 7 45. AND TONY BUTLER 2,000,070 FOR LIGHTING PROJECT. SO, UM, SANITATION HAS ITS OWN FUND, RIGHT? YES. YOU, BUT THERE ARE LIMITED YEAH. AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY. NO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN DIRE ST RIGHT NOW. IT'S FOR THE FUND BALANCE. WHAT WAS THE MECHANISM THAT Y'ALL PUT IN PLACE? WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, ROBERT MM-HMM . UH, AB ABOUT THE ANNUAL REFUNDING OR REPLENISHING OF THIS FUND IS THERE IS, AT ONE POINT, THE, THE, WHAT DO WE TALK? WE HAD SPENT PRETTY LOW. AND SO WHAT ARE WE DOING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, SO WE, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, UH, MAKING SURE THAT THEY WERE AT THE 120 DAY THRESHOLD ALSO. SO WE HAVE NOT REACHED THAT WE'RE, WE'RE BELOW THE ONE 20. OH, ABSOLUTELY. WE'RE BELOW. I MORE THAN HALF. OKAY. BUT THAT'S SELF-IMPOSED. THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR, UM, OUR INO RATING AND ALL THAT. RIGHT? NO, THAT IS NO. AS PART OF OUR, THAT'S WHAT WE POLICY. WE YES. RIGHT. BUT WE, WE WANTED, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING, UM, PRESCRIBED OR WHAT HAVE YOU. AND WE, SO WE DID THAT. CORRECT. YEAH. RIGHT. AND THAT'LL MATCH THE GENERAL FUND. BUT THE ONE THING THAT WE DID DO, UH, BECAUSE IT WAS AN ACCOUNTING, UH, DECISION WE HAD TO MAKE WAS THAT THE KEEP HARING AND BEAUTIFUL FUNDS WERE IN WITHIN THE FUND BALANCE FOR SANITATION. AND WE HAD TO TAKE 'EM OUT. YEAH. 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT, UH, ENTERPRISE FUNDS. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WERE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE, BUT THAT, THAT BROUGHT IT DOWN. YEAH. SO, AND THEN WE BOUGHT MORE EQUIPMENT. SO IT'S, IT'S OKAY. YEAH. I THINK IT'S UNDER 30 DAYS RIGHT NOW. RIGHT. OR THAT, YEAH. AND SO FOR RUTH, AGAIN, ANYTHING ON ITS LAST LEGS THAT ABSOLUTELY NEEDS TO BE DONE. THE ONE, I'M SORRY TO GET THE QUESTION. UH, ANYTHING ON THIS LAST LEG THAT ABSOLUTELY NEEDS TO BE REPLACED WITH THIS OPERATION? I AM GOING TO TELL YOU, UM, THE RENOVATION TO PUBLIC WORKS. WE CAN, UH, WAIT ON THAT. UH, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, LIKE OUR EQUIPMENT, I'M LOOKING HERE ON MY NOTES. UM, THOSE COMMERCIALS, SIDE LOADERS, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 2017 THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, IT'S ALREADY AT ITS END OF LIFE. YOU KNOW, WHERE IT KEEPS GOING INTO THE SHOPPER REPAIRS. THE SAME THING WITH THE UNIT 6, 6, 4. IT'S ALSO AT 2020. YOU KNOW, IT'S AT SIX YEARS OLD. UM, AND THAT'S FOR SANITATION. UM, THE PARK, AND I KNOW THAT'S SOME A, A PROJECT OR A PROGRAM THAT WE STARTED MAYBE ABOUT 2022. UM, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT HANDICAP ROUTE, BE ABLE TO HELP, YOU KNOW, THOSE RESIDENTS, I WAS IN THEM BEFORE, BEFORE THEY WOULD ASSIST, BUT WITH THE REGULAR REFUGE TRUCK. RIGHT. SO THIS WAS MORE EFFICIENT. BUT THAT, UH, ROUTE HAS GROWN SO MUCH FROM 2022 TO NOW TO [02:25:01] WHERE RIGHT NOW THAT THAT TRUCK THAT WE HAVE FITS MAYBE ABOUT EIGHT CONTAINERS. SO THEY'RE HAVING TO COME BACK AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, DISPOSE. SO THE ONE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING HAS, IS A LITTLE BIT LARGER TO WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO A FULL ROUTE WITHOUT HAVING TO COME AND, AND, AND TO THE TRANSFER STATION TO, TO THROW. SO I, I DO FEEL LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY NEED. UM, AND WITH THE BRUSHING DEBRIS, UH, LITERALLY THE, THE GRAPPLES, THE WHEEL LOADER, ALL THOSE ARE 10 YEARS OLD. 2016, UH, UNITS 2016 THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED. THE SAME THING WITH THE GRAPPLE TRUCK. ONE OF THEM IS A 2016, THE OTHER ONE'S A 2019. AND THESE ARE UNITS THAT WE USE EVERY SINGLE DAY, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO COLLECT BRUSH AND ABLE TO DO THAT OPERATION. UM, THE THREE BRUSH TRUCKS, THEY'RE 20, ALL THREE OF THEM ARE 2017. SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE 10 YEARS. AND AGAIN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE USE EVERY SINGLE DAY. UM, SO WE ARE SPENDING MONEY ON REPAIRS, RIGHT? THEY DO GO TO OUR SHOP BECAUSE THEY'RE SO AGED. UM, SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING FOR, FOR NEW EQUIPMENT. AND THEN I KNOW THAT IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD ISSUES, I FORGOT WHAT, REMEMBER WE HAD ISSUES, I THINK IT WAS A SIDE LOADER OR SOMETHING THAT WAS BREAKING DOWN SO MUCH AND THEN WE COULDN'T FIND PARTS FOR IT. MM-HMM . RIGHT? SO WE DO, WHERE ARE WE AT? LIKE, TELL ME, I APOLOGIZE FOR SPEAKING SO LOUD. I DIDN'T MEAN TO YELL WHAT, WHAT EQUIPMENT ON HERE IS AT THAT POINT WHERE WE CAN'T EVEN FIND PARTS AND WE'RE HAVING TO PULL PARTS FROM JUNKYARDS. SO I DO HAVE SOME UNITS. I'M, I'M LIKE, UM, ESPECIALLY ON PICKUP TRUCKS. I DO KNOW THAT, THAT WE HAVE A 2004 IN A STREET MAINTENANCE, UM, UNIT THAT WE WON'T FIGHT, UH, PARTS FOR, YOU KNOW, 2004, UM, 20 SOMETHING YEARS OLD. SO IT DESERVES A MEDAL, AN AWARD. YES. AN AWARD. A TRUCK WALKS INTO A BAR. . ALRIGHT, SO, SO WHAT, SO WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE YOUR, UM, WHAT ARE YOUR MUST HAVES IN TERMS OF, UH, END OF LIFE IN UNABLE TO FIND PARTS AND OTHERS THAT ARE, UH, COSTING MORE IN THE SHOP THAN IT WOULD TO REPLACE ALL OUR UNITS? HONESTLY, HERE ON THIS LIST, ALL OF THEM ARE ALREADY AGED. UM, THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF RIGHT NOW, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAD TO SPARE FOR MAYBE NEXT YEAR, UM, I WOULD SAY, 'CAUSE WE DID HAVE HERE FOR A, A NEW, UH, LONG HAUL DRIVER, RIGHT? BECAUSE OUR TRASH, WE, WE GET SO MUCH TRASH INTO THE TRANSFER STATION, WE, WE DO NEED ANOTHER ROUTE TO BE ABLE TO TRANSPORT THAT TRASH TO THE LANDFILL. SO WE HAD INCLUDED, UM, UH, UH, A UNIT TO DO THAT. SO WE CAN DO THAT. FOR EXAMPLE, WE PUT THREE TRACTOR RIG DAYS ON UNDER LANDFILL. SO WE PUT THREE, BUT WITH TWO TO REPLACE 5, 5, 8, 5, 5 9. UM, THOSE UNITS ARE 2017. SO THE THIRD ONE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN STILL TRY TO WORK WITH WHAT WE HAVE AND NOT ADD ANOTHER ROUTE. SO, UM, INSTEAD OF THREE, MAYBE THERE, WE COULD DO IT TO TWO. UM, ALL RIGHT. GIMME A SECOND THEN. EXCUSE ME. EXCUSE ME. MAY I ASK A QUESTION? LET'S, UM, JUST, LET'S LET, UH, LOPEZ FINISH AND THEN WE'LL RECOGNIZE YOU. OH, NO, I WAS JUST DONE. I JUST, YOU'RE DONE. WANTED TO? YES, SIR. OKAY. GO AHEAD. MORALES. UM, ON ALL OF THESE, UH, ON THIS EQUIPMENT, CAN WE LEASE ANY OF THIS FOR THREE YEARS? LIKE, UH, THE VEHICLES FOR, UM, THE PD, I KNOW, UM, I HAD BRIEFLY STARTED LOOKING INTO LEASING, UM, HEAVY EQUIPMENT. I KNOW THE CITY OF BRONZEVILLE, I WAS SPEAKING WITH THE LANDFILL MANAGER LAST WEEK, AND THEY STARTED LEASING, UM, HEAVY EQUIPMENT THROUGH THE LANDFILL. RIGHT? SO I KNOW THAT THERE IS, UM, THOSE POSSIBILITIES THERE. I MEAN, WE CAN WORK INTO, I, I CAN LOOK INTO IT A LITTLE BIT DEEPER IF THAT'S SOMETHING THEY, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL ARE INTERESTED IN AND SEE IF THAT'S AN OPTION. CHRIS, THE, THE MAIN, EXCUSE ME, THE MAIN REASON WE WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT SERIOUSLY CONSIDER LEASING IS TO AVOID ALL OF THAT MAINTENANCE COST. AND THEN WE'RE STUCK WITH IT AFTER THREE OR FOUR YEARS. TO ME, IT, IT IS SOMETHING THAT I REALLY NEED. I WOULD APPRECIATE IT, YOU WOULD CONSIDER THIS. AND THAT ALSO NOT ONLY GOES TO YOUR DEPARTMENT, BUT THROUGHOUT THE, UH, THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS AS WELL. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. BUT I AM GABE. UM, JUST A QUESTION. SO, AT THE BEGINNING, I ASKED HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE, AND YOU SAID NONE IN SANITATION. SO IF THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY IN THE FUND, HOW DO WE PROPOSE TO PAY FOR ANY OF THESE, THE ITEMS WHERE, WHERE, WHERE'S THAT MONEY GONNA COME FROM? WELL, YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A, A TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND FUND BALANCE TO THIS FUND, AND THEN JUST HAVE, UH, A RECORD THAT THE FUND ITSELF WOULD RE REIMBURSE BACK [02:30:01] THE DEBT. YES. BUT THAT WOULD BE LONG TERM, BECAUSE THE FUND, SANITATION FUND RIGHT NOW IS, IS, LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, IS IN DIRE STRAITS. IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY ANYTHING. MM-HMM. AND, AND WE HAD AGREED AS A POLICY TO KEEP THE FUND BALANCE AT 120 DAYS FOR EMERGENCIES MM-HMM . AND RIGHT NOW, IF WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN THAT. UM, WE, THAT, THAT THIS IS LONGER THAN A, THAN I THINK 30 OR 40 DAYS. MM-HMM . UH, BECAUSE THEY'D RUN OUTTA MONEY. SO WE'D HAVE TO, WE'D HAVE TO KEEP THAT FUND ALIVE BY TRANSFERRING, UH, FUNDS FROM THE, THE GENERAL FUND FUND BALANCE, JUST TO KEEP IT. SO WHAT IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION? 'CAUSE WE'RE ASKING, UM, RUTH TO KIND OF TELL US, BUT REALISTICALLY, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT CAN, CAN WE DO? OR WHAT, WHAT DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH? WELL, I, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW THESE TRUCKS THAT SHE WANTS TO REPLACE, HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN IN, IN HOW OFTEN THEY'VE BEEN IN, IN, UH, THE SHOP. SHOP, YES. AND THEN JUST LOOK AT IT. IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE, THEY WANNA BE REPLACED JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE OLD, IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE ANY SENSE. BUT I THINK THAT IF WE, IF WE CAN GET A HANDLE ON HOW MANY TIMES THEY'VE BEEN INTO THE SHOP AND FOR WHAT EXACTLY, THEN WE CAN PERHAPS COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF LONG-TERM SOLUTION. BUT I THINK RIGHT NOW, JUST TO REPLACE 'EM, BECAUSE THEY'RE OLD, I, I DON'T THINK IT'S . OKAY. SO COULD YOU BRING THAT TO US AT THE, AT THE NEXT WORKSHOP? I THINK WE'RE GONNA PROPOSE TO CANCEL OUR MONDAY. YES, WE ARE. AND SO WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME TO WORK ON THAT, JUST BECAUSE THERE IS NO, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE IS NO MONEY IN THIS SPECIFIC ACCOUNT. AND SO I THINK GABE'S GOT A, A GOOD STRATEGY SO THAT WAY YOU CAN, UM, SHOW AND IF IT, IF IT'S NEEDED, THEN IT'S NEEDED. AND WE'LL, WE NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. CAN, CAN WE ALSO LOOK INTO GETTING THE NUMBERS FOR THE LEASING? FOR THE LEASING? I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. YES. OKAY. MY BIGGEST FEAR, AND IF THIS COMMISSIONER REMEMBERS, UH, AND FOR THE PUBLIC IS THAT ONE YEAR, AND I, AND JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT, RIGHT? MM-HMM . AS WE PROCEED FORWARD, OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT MAKING A PUSH TO BUY ANYTHING BIG NOW, BUT REMEMBER THAT ONE YEAR WE HELD OFF ON THE FIRE TRUCK. YEAH, I REMEMBER. AND IT JUMPED, ONE FIRE TRUCK JUMPED FROM 800 TO 1.2 MILLION IN ONE YEAR. AND SO I, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT LOGICALLY AND FINANCIALLY HOW WE CAN AVOID ANYTHING CATASTROPHIC LIKE THAT. AND THEN THE OTHER ISSUE IS THAT, UH, I HAD ALWAYS APPRECIATED HOW THE PUBLIC, UH, LIKES THEIR TRASH PICKED UP. BUT WHEN WE HAD THE TRASH TRUCKS DOWN, MAN, PEOPLE WERE ANGRY. LIKE I WAS, I WAS A LITTLE, UH, SURPRISED, CAUGHT OFF GUARD BY THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT MM-HMM . THOSE ARE THE ISSUES I'M TRYING TO BALANCE. I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT. RIGHT. I THINK, I THINK GABE HAS AN EXCELLENT POINT. YOU KNOW, SOME, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO LOOK TO SEE IF THEY, IF THEY DO NEED TO BE REPLACED, THEN WE NEED TO, BUT WE, WE CAN'T IGNORE THAT THERE'S NO MONEY IN, IN THE ACCOUNT. OF COURSE. I AGREE 100%. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GREAT. UM, AT THIS TIME IT IS 7 51. WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE COMFORT BREAK AND WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK. [02:40:16] [02:40:19] MM-HMM . 4:00 AM I USED THE BIGGER ONE LAST TIME WAS RUNNING ON. ALRIGHT, THE TIME IS NOW 7:59 PM AND WE ARE BACK IN OPEN SESSION. UM, WE WERE GOING TO START OVER ON TONY BUTLER. JUST WANT TO SEE HOW THE COMMISSION FEELS, IF YOU WANNA CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD, GIVEN THAT, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE WE DON'T HAVE ACCURATE NUMBERS AND THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE IF YOU, DOES THE COMMISSION WANNA MOVE FORWARD AND, AND COMPLETE THE WORKSHOP? OR DO WE WANNA POSTPONE SO THAT WHAT WE HAVE ACTUAL, UM, NUMBERS IN FRONT OF US AND GIVE GABE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK AND SEE WHAT WE'VE GOT FROM PD AND THEN WE'VE GIVEN A LOT OF HOMEWORK ALREADY. SO I'LL LEAVE IT OPEN TO Y'ALL. WE CAN MOVE FORWARD OR WE CAN JUST CALL IT AND, AND COME BACK WITH ADDITIONAL NUMBERS. IN MY MIND, WE GET, WE HAVE TO DO THE WORK ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. AND THE WAY I SEE IT'S, WE'RE ALREADY CUTTING THINGS FROM THE, THE REQUEST LIST. SO, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THEN WE WILL PROCEED. WE WERE AT THE, UH, TONY, JEFF WANTS $2 MILLION NEXT, NEXT WAIT A SANDBAG. AND RIGHT OUT THE GATE YOU WANT 2 MILLION? IS IT THAT YOU DON'T WANT $2 MILLION? NO, I DO WANT $2 MILLION. I WANT Y'ALL AT LEAST CONSIDER IT WHEN Y'ALL DID THE RENOVATION TWO YEARS AGO, THE NEXT YEAR, WHICH IS LAST YEAR, WE, WE DID ECLIPSED THE 1 MILLION MARK FOR THE FIRST TIME. MM-HMM . THIS YEAR, THIS FISCAL YEAR, WE ARE AT $1.5 MILLION AND WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BEAT LAST YEAR'S NUMBER BY OVER $600,000. THAT'S GREAT. OVER A YEAR. SO WE ARE MAKING MONEY. SO IF YOU BUILD IT, PEOPLE WILL COME. AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM. THAT'S THE POLICY WE'RE DOING NOW. WE WANT A LIGHT 19 THROUGH 27. AND SO PEOPLE COULD PLAY AT NIGHT, NOBODY ELSE CAN. WE WILL HAVE ALL THE GOLFERS AT THAT TIME BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE HAS LIGHTS ON THEIR GOLF COURSE AROUND HERE. I REMEMBER LOPEZ SAYING, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU THIS, BUT DON'T EVER COME BACK . I I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE ALL HERE. SO YOU SAID WONDER HOT DOGS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OUR PRO TEM HERE HAS TO SAY, NOW PUN IT OVER TO HIM, YOU SAID SELL MORE HOT DOGS. AND WE DID. I'M SHOWING YOU WE MADE $600,000 MORE NOW THAN WE DID. I'M REALLY IMPRESSED. AND NO ONE WANTS, UM, NIGHTTIME GOLF MORE THAN MORE THAN ME FOR YOU. SO, UM, WE'LL PUT IT ON NEXT YEAR THEN. SO WHAT'S THAT? WE'LL PUT IT ON NEXT YEAR AND THINK ABOUT IT . SOUND GOOD? OKAY. SO WHAT, UM, JEFF, JUST BEFORE YOU YES. IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU CAN, NOT THIS YEAR, BUT NEXT YEAR, DO A PHASED IN PLAN? YES. AND THEN IF YOU CAN ALSO NEXT YEAR, YOU KNOW, WE'LL WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COMPLETELY IN THE BLACK AND DOING WELL AND, AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO IT CAN BE JUSTIFIED, RIGHT? CORRECT. YES. PERFECT. I'M SURE WE CAN THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE DID JUST GET THE LIGHTS ON THE DRIVING RANGE, SO WE'LL START OPENING AND DOING THAT SHORTLY. WE NEED TO HAVE AN OPENING FOR THAT, BUT, SO PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO HIT PRACTICE BALLS ON THE RANGE. OH, GREAT. THAT'S, IF I, IF I MAY, UM, SO, UM, MISSION, UH, AT THEIR MUNICIPAL GOLF COURSE, THEY IMPLEMENTED THE WHOLE 18 HOLE, UH, UH, GOLF COURSE WITH LIGHTS. I THINK THEY SPENT CLOSE TO, UH, $3.2 MILLION. I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET A TEE TIME FOR THAT. I, I CAN'T. AND I'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, CALLING ALMOST EVERY WEEK. JUST, JUST SO THAT Y'ALL CAN HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, IDEA FOR NEXT YEAR BECAUSE I THINK IT'LL BE A, A GREAT THING TO HAVE HERE IN HARINGTON TO HAVE THE SECOND ONE IN THE VALLEY THAT HAS THE NIGHT GOLF AND, YOU KNOW, BE BUSY. BE BUSY ALL THE TIME. ARE YOU HEARING THAT, JEFF? SO WHAT I HEARD IS CHRIS' GOLFING AND MISSION . I'M GONNA HIRE REGARDLESS. COMMISSIONER PEREZ IS GONNA LOSE HIS BALL IN THE DAYTIME OR NIGHT. I DUNNO IF THIS'S REALLY GONNA HELP. ALL RIGHT. UM, MOVE, MOVING ON. SO THE NEXT SECTION IS, UH, YEAH, THIS IS THE VEHICLE REPLACEMENT. THEY'RE REQUESTING OF FLEET SERVICE TRUCK, 50,000. UH, THE NEXT SECTION IS THE REQUESTED POSITIONS. MM-HMM . UM, THESE WERE ALL JUST REQUESTS THOUGH. NONE OF THESE HAVE BEEN FUNDED. OKAY. UM, UH, COMMUNICATIONS AND MEDIA ARE REQUESTING, UH, FOUR POSITIONS AT 285,000. ONE 20, UH, ONE FOR THE INTERNAL AUDITOR. UH, WE ARE REQUESTING ONE, UH, FOR [02:45:01] OUR TO ASSIST IN THE PAYROLL. UM, INFORMATION TECHNOLOGIES IS REQUESTING, UH, TWO POSITIONS. POLICE IS REQUEST, I GUESS THAT'S, POLICE RECORDS IS REQUESTING TWO. ENGINEERING IS REQUESTING ONE. UH, PUBLIC WORK. STREET MAINTENANCE IS REQUESTING FOUR POSITIONS. I'M GONNA STOP YOU REAL QUICK. UM, ROBERT, AND RECOGNIZE MESMER GOT A QUESTION. I GUESS THIS IS MORE OF A GABE QUESTION. THESE ARE BRAND NEW POSITIONS. YES, SIR. IN ADDITION TO THE 600 AND WHATEVER EMPLOYEES WE HAVE. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, PUBLIC WORK, STREET MAINTENANCE IS FOUR POSITIONS. PUBLIC WORK, STREET DRAINAGE IS FIVE POSITIONS. PARKS IS REQUESTING A WHOLE BUNCH OF POSITIONS COUNT THAT FAST. BUT LIBRARY IS REQUESTING TWO POSITIONS. PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT IS REQUESTING ONE, ONE POSITION. AND THAT'S THE ONE WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, CORRECT? YES. YES. HEALTH, UH, IS REQUESTING A HEALTH ONE, HEALTH INSPECTOR, UH, AND ONE ANIMAL C CARE SERVICE OFFICER. UH, PUBLIC WORKS. PUBLIC BUILDINGS IS REQUESTING FOUR POSITIONS. BUILDING INSPECTIONS IS A PLANS EXAMINER. UM, ADMINISTRATION IS REQUESTING A RECLASSIFICATION FROM AN ADMIN ONE TO AN ADMIN TWO. ENGINEERING IS REQUESTING A RECLASSIFICATION OF ENGINEERING TECHNICIAN TO A PROJECT ENGINEER. UH, PUBLIC WORKS PAVING IS REQUESTING A RECLASSIFICATION FROM A GROUNDSKEEPER TO A PAVING CREW. SO, SO THESE RECLASSIFICATIONS ARE EMPLOYEES THAT WE ALREADY EXIST, ARE JUST TRYING TO RECLASSIFY THEM. UH, PARKS, UH, IS REQUESTING A, A SALARY ADJUSTMENT FOR THE MASTER ELECTRICIAN. UH, SALARY INCREASE. TENNIS COURTS IS REQUESTING A TENNIS SHOP, MAINTENANCE ASSISTANT CONVENTION. CVB IS REQUESTING A SOCIAL MEDIA AND MARKETING. I BELIEVE THIS ONE IS BEING CONSIDERED 'CAUSE IT'S THROUGH THE HOTEL MOTEL. UM, IF WE CAN STOP REAL QUICK. SURE. I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT THAT MASTER ELECTRICIAN SALARY INCREASE BECAUSE OF ALL, YOU KNOW, ALL THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE CITY, THROUGHOUT THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD, I FORGOT WHO MENTIONED IT, BUT WE'VE HAD THAT SLOT OPEN FOR RIGHT. IT'S BEEN OPEN FOR A WHILE. YEAH. I I THINK WELL, IT'S, IT'S A VACANT SPOT. CORRECT. NO ONE'S APPLIED FOR IT. BECAUSE DIDN'T WE TALK ABOUT THAT LAST YEAR THAT NOBODY WAS GONNA APPLY BECAUSE IT WAS TOO LOW? WE INCREASE IT. OKAY. WELL, SO THEN THAT'S A GIVEN. WE ALREADY HAD, MAYBE THAT SHOULD HAVE COME TO US BEFORE. 'CAUSE WE HAD THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION LAST YEAR ABOUT THAT IT WAS TOO, THAT NOBODY WAS GONNA APPLY AFTER AND NOBODY APPLIED. THEY'RE HOLDING OUT, SOMEONE'S WATCHING WAITING IN THAT ROGUE, RIGHT. YEAH. IN THAT ROGUE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON, ON THOSE THAT I'VE GONE OVER? UM, I THINK THAT IF, FOR CVB, IF, IF THAT'S COMING OUT OF THE, UM, HOT TALKS, THEN WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD FUND THAT. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHY. I THINK THAT DEPARTMENT NOW ONLY HAS ONE PERSON. I THINK THAT THAT'S CASSANDRA. I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S HERE. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OTHER DEPARTMENTS WITH JUST ONE PERSON. I NEVER GET TO TALK . I'M SO EXCITED I GET TO TALK TO YOU GUYS. UM, SO YES, IT'S JUST ME. AND IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL TO HAVE AN ADDITION TO THE TEAM. AND IT IS COMING FROM THE FUND BALANCE OF THE HOTEL MOTEL, NOT FROM THE GENERAL FUND. AND SO WE'RE GETTING A NEW HOTEL, THAT MEANS WE'RE GETTING MORE REVENUE NEXT YEAR. SO THAT MEANS WE NEED TO MARKET IT BETTER AND MORE. AND I THINK NOW WE HAVE A VIA COMING IN WITH A NEW DIRECTOR AND THEY CAN WORK A LITTLE CLOSER WITH, UH, OUR CVB TO PROMOTE TOURISM. I THINK THAT THAT, AND, AND I KNOW THAT, UM, CASSANDRA KIND OF HELPS IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS AS AS WELL. SO I DON'T SEE IF IF IT'S IN THE BUDGET, IT'S WITHIN YOUR BUDGET. CORRECT. UM, YEAH, I WAS LIKE, WAIT, WHERE DO YOU GO? UH, YES IT IS. AND UM, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE GETTING A NEW HOTEL ONLINE NEXT YEAR, AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME OTHERS ON THE HORIZON, SO THAT'S ONLY GONNA INCREASE OUR REVENUE YEAR AFTER YEAR IN THE HO IN THE HOT FUNDS REVENUES. I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN A DIRECTOR THAT HAS COME UP. SO HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU GUYS BEFORE BECAUSE IT'S POSITIVE. IT'S GONNA BE GREAT. WE ARE, WE HAVE THE MONEY. WE DEFINITELY NEED ANOTHER, ANOTHER EMPLOYEE IN CBB. LIKE I SAID, IT'S JUST ME, BUT NOW WE HAVE A SECRETARY, SO I, YOU KNOW, HAVE HELP A LITTLE BIT. . THAT'S GREAT. OKAY. UM, SO IS THAT FINE? MM-HMM . DOES ANYBODY HAVE AN ISSUE? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. FANTASTIC. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, WHAT ABOUT, WHAT, UH, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR PARKS. YES. [02:50:05] ALL RIGHT. SO TALK TO ME BECAUSE, UM, WHAT IS IT THAT, WHAT ARE THE, YOU'VE GOT A LOT HERE. UM, I SEE A LOT OF THE LITTLE LIKE RECREATION ASSISTANCE AND STUFF TOO. UM, I'VE BEEN MEANING TO ASK THIS. UH, IN TERMS OF HOW YOU'RE MANAGING LIKE THE PICKLEBALL COURTS, DO YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THERE OR ARE THEY THE PICKLEBALL COMMUNITY? KIND OF. DO WE HAVE WELLNESS? UH, OUTREACH COORDINATOR, SASHA LUCIO. SO SHE'S THERE. SO SHE DOES, UH, ASSIST WITH THAT IN THE EVENING TOO. SHE'S THERE UP UNTIL FIVE O'CLOCK. AND THEN, UM, OUR, OUR PARKS TEAM WOULD GO CLOSE AT EIGHT O'CLOCK THE TIME, SO THERE'S NO ONE THERE IN THE EVENING. YEAH. UM, AND WE'VE BEEN UTILIZING OUR PARK STAFF TO HELP THE REC SIDE. MM-HMM . WHERE WE CAN. UM, ESPECIALLY WITH SOFTBALL AT NIGHT. MM-HMM . UM, BUT THAT'S JUST KIND OF EATING UP AT OUR OVERTIME ACCOUNT. SO IF YOU ARE GOING TO, LOOKING AT OUR AGENDA AND LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY HAVING, UH, A PRO SHOP, ARE YOU GONNA NEED SOMEBODY THERE? YES. SO WE WOULD, CAN THEY DO, WE WOULD DEFINITELY NEED THE RECREATION ASSISTANT DOUBLE DUTY. THAT WOULD BE PART OF THEIR DUTY AS WELL AS, UM, OTHER DUDES WOULD BE THE NIGHT SOFTBALL LEAGUES. MM-HMM . UM, ALSO LOOKING AT CONCESSION STAND RUNNING THAT. UM, BUT ALSO LOOKING AT OUR PROGRAMMING AS WELL. SO, UH, IF WE EXPAND OUR RECREATION PROGRAMMING, OUR YOUTH, OUR SENIORS MM-HMM . UM, IT'S GONNA BE HELPFUL FROM THE RECREATION SIDE AND IT'S DESPERATELY NEEDED. DO YOU THINK, AND I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN WITH THE ORGANIZATION MAYBE A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF, ALMOST TWO YEARS ALREADY, UH, THAT WE'VE BEEN AS EFFECTIVE AND AND EFFICIENT AS WE CAN BE MAINTAINING OUR FACILITIES? SO ONE, OUR TEAM IS DOING A GREAT JOB, UH, FOR WHAT WE HAVE. UM, BUT I THINK LOOKING AT HOW EFFICIENT WE CAN BE, UM, I THINK, UM, WE NEED THIS EXTRA STAFFING FOR ALL OUR FACILITIES. SO WHETHER IT'S COMMUNITY CENTER, UM, WORKING WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND PUBLIC BUILDINGS AND HOW WE CAN IMPROVE THOSE AREAS, BUT ALSO JUST OUR ATHLETIC FIELD FACILITIES. UM, IF WE LOOK AT VICTOR PARK, WE LOOK AT EVEN PENDLETON. IF WE LOOK AT WILSON, TOM YOUTH LOOKING AT THOSE ASSESSMENTS, I KNOW LUPE, OUR ATHLETIC SUPERVISOR, HAS UH, GONE OUT THERE TO TAKE NOTES, UM, GOING OUT THERE TO DO AN ASSESSMENT. UM, WE NEED THE HELP. WE ASK A LAW FROM HIS DEPARTMENT AND YOU KNOW, MORE AND MORE AND MORE. AND HE DOES NEED THE HELP. HE'S, THEY'RE OVERWHELMED. I ACTUALLY HAD A POST WHERE I WAS TALKING ABOUT PARKS OR SOMETHING AND ONE OF THE, I'M ASSUMING HE WAS ONE OF THE EMPLOYEES FROM WHAT HE WAS SAYING, HE SAYS, YEAH, WE NEED HELP. WE'RE OVERWHELMED. WE NEED HELP. AND I'M LIKE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO. I DUNNO, WE CAN AFFORD MUCH, BUT LIKE, WE NEED TO HELP 'EM IN SOME WAY. UM, AND THEN LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THE POOL AQUATIC POOL OPERATOR. UM, SINCE NOW THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE THREE FULLY OPERAT OPERATING POLES, UM, LON HILL SPLASH PAD POLE RENOVATIONS, AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, REJO GARCIA PARK, NEW SPLASH PAD COMING. GARZA, GARZA, SORRY. UH, THOSE ARE EXTRA, UM, AREAS WHERE CESAR ARE AQUATIC SUPERVISOR, HE'S GONNA NEED SOME ASSISTANCE. WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE A POOL OPERATOR. SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASKING FOR 15 POSITIONS, UH, WITH RAM AND OTHERS? UH, MORE, BUT, UH, I HAVE LOOKED INTO IT TO CUT DOWN IF WE NEEDED TO, BUT, SO WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU NEED? WHAT, SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT FROM THE GROUNDSKEEPER PER, PER PERSPECTIVE, I MEAN, THREE WOULD BE IDEAL. WE CAN GET THREE THERE. UM, THE MAINTENANCE TECH WE'RE REQUIRED, WE WERE REQUESTING TWO. WE COULD USE AN EXTRA ONE THERE. UM, UH, JOHNNY UA AND THOSE GUYS, UM, COULD USE A LOT OF HELP, ESPECIALLY WITH A LOT OF THE RESTORATION PROJECTS THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW WITH OUR CURRENT PLAYGROUNDS AND LOOKING INTO REPLACING SOME OF THOSE SLIDES AND EQUIPMENT. THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE, THAT'S THE TEAM THAT'S GONNA BE DOING IT. MM-HMM . UM, RECREATION ASSISTANT, WE'RE REQUESTING THREE. IDEALLY WE CAN GET TO. THAT'D BE PERFECT. UM, MANAGEMENT ASSISTANT. UM, WHAT IS THAT? SO MANAGEMENT ASSISTANT WOULD OVERSEE ALL THE ADMINS. THEY WOULD BE REALLY HEAVILY WITH THE BUDGET IN AREAS, BUT, UH, ME AND PEDRO, UH, WE CAN WORK ON THAT. UH, SO WE CAN DO WITHOUT THAT ONE. AND WE NEED TO CUT. AND YOU SAID THE AQUATIC POOL OPERATOR? CORRECT THAT ONE. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST IT, UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT, UH, THE PARK [02:55:01] SUPERINTENDENT, PARK SUPERVISOR, AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE ONE SUPERVISOR, WHICH IS MARTIN. UM, RELIABLE, GREAT INDIVIDUAL, BUT WE DO NEED ANOTHER SUPERVISOR. UM, THAT WAY WE CAN NOW BE EFFICIENT IN, IN DIVIDING THE CITY IN A SENSE TO LIKE TEAMS NOW, UM, WHERE THE SUPERVISORS CAN ACTUALLY GO AND SUPERVISE AND CHECK ALL THE PARKS. UM, A LOT OF TIMES MARTINA IS REALLY INVOLVED WITH THE OPERATIONS AND HE GETS TIED UP. SAME THING WITH JOHNNY, OUR SUPERINTENDENT, VERY INVOLVED WITH OPERATIONS. UM, SO THAT SUPERINTENDENT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, YES, INVOLVEMENT WITH OPERATIONS, BUT ALSO PART OF THE TEAM WITH STRATEGIC PLANNING AND LOOKING INTO LIKE FORECASTING THE FUTURE FOR WHAT WE CAN DO AND, UH, BE INVOLVED WITH PROJECTS. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE, HOW WOULD YOU DO ABOUT TRYING TO GET COVERAGE AFTER HOURS, LIKE AFTER FIVE O'CLOCK? SO WHAT WE DID RIGHT NOW, UM, WE DISCUSSED, THIS IS, UM, ONE THING WHEN I CAME IN AS INTERIM, UH, WE CREATED THE AFTERNOON CREW. SO NOW WE DO HAVE AN AFTERNOON CREW THAT COMES IN FROM TWO TO 10. WHAT WE RE RECENTLY IMPLEMENTED IS THE WEEKEND CREW NOW, BUT WE DON'T WORK ON SUNDAYS. UM, SO WE ARE NOW HAVING A CREW THAT'S HERE ON SATURDAYS. UM, AND THAT, THAT CREW ALSO HELPS WITH, UM, BALLPARK, UH, BALLPARK, UM, MAINTENANCE FOR STRIPING FOR TOURNAMENTS, BUT THEY'RE ALSO THERE FOR RENTALS. ANY ISSUES THAT WE GET CALLS ON THE WEEKEND. SO RIGHT NOW WHEN WE GET A CALL FOR A RENTAL ISSUE, TRASH, GARBAGE, UH, ELECTRICAL ISSUE, LIGHT ISSUE, MARTINE, DANIELLE, ERIC, ONE OF THOSE GUYS WILL COME IN. UM, BUT NOW THIS WAY WE HAVE SOMEONE, WE HAVE STAFF AVAILABLE NOW TO PART OF THEIR DAY, DAY-TO-DAY, UM, WORK SCHEDULE. SO IT WON'T REALLY EAT UP INTO OUR OVERTIME. ARE YOU SAYING THAT THERE ARE STAFF MEMBERS THAT ARE WORKING FROM TWO TO 10? UM, SO THEY WORK THEIR REGULAR HOURS IN THE AFTERNOON SHIFT, BUT THEY'RE ALSO LOCKING CLOSING RESTROOMS AND CLOSING THE PARKS. SO BEFOREHAND WE WOULD HAVE A REGULAR SHIFT AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE STAFF COME BACK AND THEY WOULD CLOSE THE PARKS AND THE RESTROOMS. BUT NOW WHAT HAPPENS IS WE, WHETHER IT'S DOWNTOWN, YEAH. WHETHER IT'S DOWNTOWN OR ANY ISSUES, WE HAVE A CREW NOW THAT THAT WORKS AFTERNOON SHIFT. AND YOU HAVE THREE PEOPLE IN THE CREW. I'M SORRY? UM, IT'S TWO. SO THERE, OKAY. JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, THEY'RE WORKING TWO TO 10. THAT'S THEIR SCHEDULE. SO THEY'RE NOT COMING, THEY'RE NOT WORKING TILL FIVE AND THEN GOING BACK TO NO, NO, THAT'S THEIR SCHEDULE. THAT'S THEIR SCHEDULE. AND WE ROTATE IT. SO, UH, ONE WEEK WILL BE, LET'S JUST PRETEND, UH, CREW A MM-HMM . AND THEN NEXT WEEK CREW B. SO IT'S A ROTATIONAL SCHEDULE THROUGHOUT THE, THE CREWS. AND WHAT ARE THEY DOING? UM, FROM PICKING UP, MAINTAINING THE GROUNDS TRASH. UM, THEY ALSO MAKE THEIR WAY DOWNTOWN TOO TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY NEED THERE. LOZANO. UM, IF WE GET A CALL COMPLAINT, THEY'RE ALREADY ON THE PREMISE, THEY'RE ALREADY WORKING. MM-HMM . NO LONGER DO WE HAVE TO CALL OUR SUPERVISORS TO COME IN OR OUR CREW LEADERS TO COME IN. AND WE HAVE STAFF AVAILABLE NOW, SO IT'S A LOT QUICKER TURNAROUND TIME TOO. OKAY. IF PD CALLS US, CALLS OUR SUPERINTENDENT FOR AN ISSUE, THEY'RE THERE AVAILABLE TO HANDLE THAT. IF THERE'S A COMMUNITY CENTER, PICKLEBALL, SOMETHING COMES UP, THEY'RE ALREADY THERE AND THEY CAN GO TO COMMUNITY CENTER AS WELL. SO. OKAY. SO NOW YOU HAVE GONE TO 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 PEOPLE. NINE. WHERE'D YOU GET THE NINE YEAR? I GOT EIGHT. SO THERE'S HE ANOTHER PARKS GROUND SUPERVISOR, ANOTHER SUPERINTENDENT. THREE PARKS. OH, ANOTHER SUPERINTENDENT. IS THAT, YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S THE ONE I MISSED. THREE OF THE, THANK YOU. YOU GOT IT. OKAY. YES MA'AM. AND, AND WHILE I'M HERE, UM, IF WE'RE GONNA JUMP TO TENNIS REALLY QUICK, UM, RAM UH, EXPRESSED HIS NEED FOR SOME HELP THERE. UM, UH, WITH, UH, MAINTENANCE, A TENNIS SHOP, MAINTENANCE ASSISTANT, UM, BECAUSE ONE, THEY WOULD HELP KEEP THE AREA CLEAN FOR ALL THE TOURNAMENTS HE'S HAVING. BUT, UH, HE ALSO NEEDS THAT POSITION TOO, WHERE HE CAN FLEX ALSO ON WEEKENDS BECAUSE OF ALL THE TOURNAMENTS THAT HE HAS. UM, HE, HE'S EATING UP INTO HIS OVERTIME ACCOUNT. UM, SO, UM, THIS POSITION WOULD FALL INTO THAT WEEKEND REALM AS WELL. WHERE IS THAT? IT'S, THAT WOULD BE UNDER PAGE 26, TENNIS COURTS, UH, TENNIS SHOP, MAINTENANCE ASSISTANT. OH, OKAY. I SAW IT HERE. IS THAT A PART-TIME POSITION? AS OF RIGHT NOW, IT'S A FULL-TIME POSITION. OKAY. AND I, I, I DO THINK WE NEED THIS ONE. 'CAUSE RAM IS SHORT. GOOD TENNIS. YEAH. YEAH. FOR TENNIS'S. VERY SHORT STAFFED OVER THERE AND HE'S DONE SUCH A GREAT JOB. UM, HE WAS THERE WHEN IT WAS RECOGNIZED BY THE, UM, USTA RAM, AN OUTSTANDING JOB OUT THERE. SO I THINK WE NEED TO GET HIM THIS ONE. AND THE MASTER ELECTRICIAN, WE DID HAVE ONE APPLICANT, BUT THE DAY OF HIS INTERVIEW HE BACKED UP, BUT IT WHAT DID YOU TELL HIM? HE JUST CALLED AND HE JUST SAID THAT NEVERMIND, HE BACKED OUT, BUT HE TOLD HIM WAIT TILL AFTER THE BUDGET , [03:00:01] HE WAS LIKE, OH, I SAW THE POSTED, UH, SALARY. NEVERMIND. SO THAT ONE, THE CURRENT SALARY HOVERS AROUND 42,000 AND I BELIEVE WE'RE REQUESTING $60,000 A YEAR FROM NOW. WELL, IT'S THE ONE I'M LOOKING AT. SORRY, YOU SAID 60,000? LEMME JUST ASK THE QUESTION. YEAH. WHICH RULE IS THAT? UH, THAT IS THE MASTER ELECTRICIAN. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S THE ONE. AND THAT ONE WE DID WORK AND WE GAUGED WITH OTHER CITIES AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE MARK, BUT IT'S JUST A, AN THEY ALREADY BUDGETED CORRECT INCREASE? I THOUGHT HE WAS SAYING THE TENNIS SHOP MAINTENANCE ASSISTANT FOR 60,000. NO, THAT'S WHY I HAD, YEAH, THAT'S WHY I FREAKED OUT. YEAH, NO, I, THE BRAKE. OKAY. UM, I'LL DEFINITELY GET APPLICANTS FOR THAT ONE. . SO THESE RECREATION ASSISTANCE, IF YOU WERE TO GET TWO, TELL ME WHAT THEY WOULD DO. UM, IDEALLY, WELL, SINCE WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE PRO SHOP, WE DEFINITELY WOULD HAVE ONE THERE FOR SURE. UM, THEY WOULD HELP MAN THAT. UM, BUT ALSO BECAUSE OF OUR SOFTBALL PROGRAMMING, WE HAVE BEEN TRYING, WE'VE BEEN MOVING PARKS TEAM TO HELP FACILITATE THAT MM-HMM . UM, BUT IN THIS CASE, NOW THAT WE WOULD HAVE THEM ALSO SHOW UP THERE DURING THE SEASON, WE WILL HAVE A TENT, PARKS AND REC ALL THE PAPERWORK READY. IF THERE'S A PROTEST, IF THERE'S ANY NEED, THEY'LL BE THERE. BUT THEY'LL BE ALSO AVAILABLE FOR ALL OUR PROGRAMMING. SO AS WE EXPAND IN OUR PROGRAMMING, THEY'LL BE THERE AND WE CAN FLEX THEIR SCHEDULE SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO MEET AN AFTERNOON PROGRAM. OKAY. YEAH. SO WE TALKED ABOUT FOR THE PRO SHOP, AND MARY, JUST FOR Y'ALL'S BACKGROUND, IS THAT, UH, NO ONE'S GOING TO, YOU'RE GONNA DO IT BY HOUR, RIGHT? SO THEY MAY WORK IN THE EVENINGS WHEN IT'S COOLER RATHER THAN LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HOTTEST TIME OF THE DAY. SO THEY, WELL, YEAH, I, I, YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING ABOUT WHEN STAFF WORKS FROM EIGHT TO FIVE AND THEN EVERYBODY GOES PLAY PICKLEBALL IN THE EVENING MM-HMM . SO THEN THERE'S NOBODY THERE. RIGHT. SO, SO IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE SOMEONE AS WE'RE INVESTING IN, IN, IN THE COMMUNITY CENTER, TO HAVE SOMEONE KIND OF JUST KEEPING AN EYE ON, ON THINGS. UM, I KNOW WE HAD GOTTEN SOME, SOME COMPLAINTS. UM, ONE OF THE INSTRUCTORS THERE IS THAT THEY HAD SOME ISSUES WITH, UH, ONE OF THE PERSON, SOMEBODY THAT WAS ATTENDING THE CLASS THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, HAVING A PRESENCE OF SOMEONE FROM THE CITY. AND I KNOW I'VE PLAYED AT THE, IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME, BUT AT THE BEFORE WE HAD THE PICKLEBALL COURTS, UM, IN THE BACK, UH, OUTSIDE AND, AND REALLY IT'S JUST THE, THE PEOPLE PLAYING THAT ARE KIND OF MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS KOSHER INSTEAD OF HAVING A CITY PRESENCE. SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE YOU HAVE MORE FAMILIES GOING OUT TOO. SO IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S GONNA DO BOTH, UM, THE, IT WOULD BE NICE IF THEY ARE IN THE PRO SHOP AND ALSO KIND OF MONITORING WHAT'S GOING ON. AND THAT JUST REQUIRES ONE PERSON, I WOULD IMAGINE. OBJECTION. NO. I MEAN, AT A TIME IT COULD HAVE MORE THAN ONE, BUT I'M SAYING I THINK THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, CLOSE UP THE SHOP RIGHT. AND, AND, AND, AND STILL BE THERE PRESENT. AND, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S NEEDED, THEY CAN OPEN IT UP. BUT ALSO KIND OF MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROVIDING A SAFE SPACE FOR, FOR EVERYBODY. AND I HAD A QUESTION. I MEAN, IF, IF WE GET, IF, IF YOU WERE TO GET ONE OF THESE GUYS, 'CAUSE UH, THE COMMUNITY CENTER, LIKE THE PICKLEBALL COURT, IT'S NOT OPEN DURING WHAT, DURING THE WEEKEND? UM, SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE CLOSING AT EIGHT O'CLOCK. UM, BUT IDEALLY, ONCE WE GET THE PRO SHOP GOING, WE GET THE LIGHTS ON THE NORTH END GOING, UM, WE WERE GONNA HAVE IT WITH THE SCHEDULE OF OUR ORDINANCE FOR PARKS AT 10 O'CLOCK ON THE WEEKENDS TOO. UM, AND THEN ON THE WEEKENDS, UM, AGAIN, WE DO HAVE A PARK CREW THERE AVAILABLE, UM, DEPENDING ON THE NEED FOR THIS WRECK ASSISTANT, THEY CAN BE FLEXED TO THE WEEKEND AS WELL. YEAH. 'CAUSE I NOTICED LIKE MY, MY, MY DAUGHTER CHLOE, SHE ALWAYS WANTS TO GO PLAY PICKLEBALL AND IT'S ALWAYS DURING THE WEEKEND, BUT I'M LIKE, OH, IT'S CLOSED. WE CAN'T GO. WELL, NO, IT, IT'S OPEN ON THE WEEKEND. IT'S, YEAH, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE OPEN ON THE WEEKENDS. YEAH. SO THERE'S A, AN ISSUE THERE THEN I NEED TO LOOK INTO IT. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S OPEN PLAY. SO, AND WHEN YOU SAY WEEKENDS, IT'S SATURDAY AND SUNDAY. IT'S SATURDAY AND SUNDAY IT'S OPEN PLAY. YEAH, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE OPEN AND FREE. IT'S SIMILAR TO A LOT OF THE CITIES THAT WE GAUGED. UH, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. UM, THEY, THEY HAVE IT OPEN. THERE'S NO ONE MANNING IT. IT'S JUST OPEN PLAY, YOU KNOW. SO IS, AND I KNOW THIS IS PROBABLY, I, I MIGHT BE THE ONLY ONE THAT'S GONNA SAY THIS, BUT I'M GONNA SAY IT ANYWAY. UM, WHAT, WHAT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PICKLEBALL IS, IS A VERY EXPENSIVE SPORT TO GO IN AND, AND PAY TO GO PLAY IN OTHER PLACES ALL ACROSS THE REGION. AND THEIR PICKLEBALL COMMUNITY REALLY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, THEY GO ALL OVER TO PLAY. WHAT ABOUT HAVING A SMALL FEE, LIKE $5 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO PLAY FOR PER MONTH? WOULD Y'ALL FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? AND THEN THAT MONEY [03:05:01] CAN GO BACK TO, YOU KNOW, PURCHASE THE KIND OF LIKE AT THE SWIMMING POOL, WE CHARGE A DOLLAR EACH TIME THEY GO IN, THEY PLAY, YOU KNOW, EVERY, EVERY TIME THEY GO IT'S A DOLLAR. UM, IF THEY PAY, YOU KNOW, $5 A MONTH OR $3 A MONTH, JUST SIMILAR TO SWIMMING, I MEAN, WE CHARGE A DOLLAR TO GO SWIM. MM-HMM. OR JUST SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OR 20 . OH YEAH. THANK, THANK YOU FOR THAT TOO. . WELL, WELL, DIDN'T HAVE CHANGED FOR 20, SO THEY GOT THE WHOLE 20. OH, I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING CHARGING 20. WELL, WELL WHAT, ME TOO. I WAS LIKE, CALM DOWN. I'M SAYING $5, NOT 20. THE KID WAS LIKE, I HAVE NO CHANGE. SO, UH, YOU GOTTA DO WHAT YOU GOTTA DO. AND I WAS LIKE, I GUESS I'M, YOU'RE LIKE, THERE YOU GO, HERE'S LUNCH . UM, BUT, BUT, BUT IF WE WERE GOING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, I THINK THAT THE COMMUNITY, I MEAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AND SEE WHAT THE COMMUNITY SAYS, BUT, UM, IF SAY YOU CHARGE $5 A MONTH AND IT'S OPEN PLAY, AND THEN YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY THERE TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, ENSURE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO SEE THEY GOT SOME KIND OF A, A PASS OR, OR SOMETHING OR A SYSTEM TO SCAN IN AND OR SOME KIND OF SYSTEM, UM, THEN THAT MONEY THAT CAN GO RIGHT BACK INTO THE PICKLEBALL TO BUY MORE, YOU KNOW, MORE, UH, BALLS TO PLAY AND POTENTIALLY OFFSET THE COST OF HAVING SOMEBODY THERE THE ENTIRE TIME. I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE, UM, FEE. I, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S VERY REASONABLE. I, I KNOW THAT I WOULD PAY IT. I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU, MOST PLACES YOU'RE GONNA PAY 70, 70, $80 A MONTH TO PLAY. WELL, IT IS, IT IS ME, UH, VERY, EVERY, EVERY PLACE. LIKE I, I'VE BEEN AROUND THE REGION, LIKE YOU'VE MENTIONED IN THE STATE, IT IS A VERY EXPENSIVE SPORT TO PLAY. SO $5 IS NOT MUCH. I MEAN, WELL, IT IS TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. I SHOULDN'T SAY MUCH, BUT I MEAN, IT COULD BE $5 A FAMILY. I MEAN, IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE HAVE, IT COULD BE BY FAMILY. IT COULD BE BY BY MONTH. WE CAN LOOK INTO IT. SOMETHING, I MEAN, WE CAN, I CAN GET WITH OUR TEAM AND TRY TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER AND SEE WHAT WE CAN MAYBE JUST, YOU KNOW, UM, BRAINSTORM IT FOR A LITTLE WHILE. YEAH. AND, AND, AND I WOULD SAY, UM, HAVE SOME KIND OF OUTREACH TO, TO, TO GAUGE WHETHER PEOPLE WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT. JUST REMEMBER, WE HAVE TO ADJUST THE MASTER FEE ORDINANCE BEFORE WE START CHARGING MM-HMM . OKAY. OKAY. I'M JUST SAYING WE ALREADY CHARGE IN OTHER FACILITIES FOR OTHER THINGS. THIS WOULD JUST, AND WE'RE, THIS IS, WE'RE BRINGING THIS ON, UM, AS A NEW ACTIVITY, BUT WE'RE NOT, UM, WE DON'T HAVE A FEE ASSOCIATED WITH IT. AND I THINK MORE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, MORE PEOPLE GO, UM, LIKE IF YOU CHARGE $1 EACH TIME, THEY'LL PAY, PROBABLY END UP PAYING MORE THAN $5 A MONTH. I SEE. PROBABLY. SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. I THINK THAT THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, AND, AND NOW YOU'RE A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND GO AND, AND PLAY WHENEVER YOU WANT. AND, UM, I, I WOULD EVEN THINK THAT IT'D BE FINE FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, HUSBAND, WIFE, AND KIDS. $5 A, YOU KNOW, $5 A MONTH AND THAT'S JUST MONEY THAT YOU'RE GENERATING THAT CAN GO BACK INTO THE, YOU KNOW, KEEPING UP, MAINTAINING IT. JUST GOING BACK TO THE, SO IT IS OPEN ON THE WEEKENDS, , I WILL GET, I'M GONNA, I WILL GET WITH MY TEAM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE OPENING ON THE WEEKENDS. AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BACK, THE BACK PART OF THE PICKLEBALL COURT, THE WORK THAT WE DID AND THE CITIES THAT WE GAUGE IN BENCHMARKED TO, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OPEN ON THE WEEKENDS. MY PROPER PLAY. THIS IS USED TO BE, YEAH, THAT'S THE INTENT. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OPEN ON THE WEEKENDS. SO IF, IF WE ARE GOING TO ENTERTAIN THIS, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE COMMISSION IS OKAY WITH IT, UM, IF YOU CAN JUST KIND OF GIVE US SOME, SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME PROPOSED RATES THAT YOU THINK IS, IS REASONABLE AND, AND THEN WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF MAKING IT EASY, UM, STREAMLINED. SO THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, IT'S NOT A BURDEN ON STAFF TO ENSURE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING IN ARE ACTUALLY, UM, QUOTE UNQUOTE MEMBERS. AND THEN ALSO I'D LIKE FOR THERE TO BE A PHYSICAL PRESENCE OF SOMEONE FROM THE CITY DURING THOSE OPERATING HOURS SO THAT IT MAKES SENSE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE REASON WHY THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL FEE BECAUSE THERE'S ALSO A PRESENCE. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE, THE PRO SHOP OPEN FOR WHATEVER IT IS, UM, THAT Y'ALL ARE SELLING IN THERE. AND I'M ASSUMING THAT THE PRO TALK ABOUT THAT, THAT THE, THAT THE, UH, THING THAT THE, THAT THE PROCEEDS FROM THE PRO SHOP WILL GO BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY CENTER. IS THAT RIGHT? OR IS THAT JUST GOOD GENERAL FUND MONEY? I'M SORRY, I WAS TALKING TO COMMISSIONER LOPEZ. NO, SIDEBAR CONVERSATION SIR. I'M SORRY. I'M OKAY. I'M SORRY. SO WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? THE QUESTION IS, I LOVE HOW IT'S THE, THE SECOND PERSON THAT GETS IN TROUBLE, NOT THE LIKE PERSON THAT INITIATES IT, RIGHT? YEAH. WELL, ST DANIEL'S NAME TOO. YEAH, I WOULD THINK IT'S GENERAL FUND. I MEAN, UH, IT IS LIKE OUR [03:10:01] SOFTBALL COMMUNITY. LIKE THEY PAY FOR SOFTBALL, THEY PLAY SOFTBALL, IT GOES STRAIGHT BACK TO GENERAL FUND. WELL, NO, I, I WANNA KNOW WHAT THE QUESTION WAS BEFORE. SO THE QUESTION WAS THE PROCEEDS FROM THE PRO SHOP, UH, WILL THOSE GO, WILL THAT MONEY GO BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY CENTER FOR THE PROGRAMMING THAT WE'VE GOT THERE? NO, IT'LL GO INTO GENERAL FUND. INTO GENERAL FUND, YEAH. THAT'S A RE UH, ACCOUNTING REQUIREMENT. OKAY. SO THINKING BIG PICTURE, ARE YOU THINKING THAT YOU WANT TO CHARGE FOR LIKE, ALL THE CLASSES? ARE YOU THINKING YOU'RE GONNA WANNA CHARGE TO USE THE, THE COMMUNITY CENTER AT, AT PENDLETON PARK ONCE THAT'S UP AND RUNNING OR AT WILSON? I'M, I'M JUST, YEAH, NO, WHAT I ENVISION TRUTHFULLY IS THAT YOU PAY $5 A MONTH AND YOU HAVE A MEMBERSHIP CARD AND YOU CAN GO ANYWHERE IN THE CITY AND USE THE SERVICES THAT WE HAVE. LIKE WHY WOULD WE, WHY SHOULD WE HAVE TO, TO YOUR POINT WITH YOUR DOLLAR, YOU KNOW, UM, LIKE MY KIDS GO SWIM AT PENDLETON AND YOU KNOW, WE GO TO COMMUNITY CENTER AND DO ALL THESE DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES. UM, IT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE, WHETHER THERE'S A FEE FOR IT OR NOT, AT THIS POINT, YOU COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF EVERYTHING. INCLUDING WE WANT THE REC CENTER TO BE ACCESSIBLE TO ALL. UM, AND THAT'S A QUALITY OF LIFE PROJECT. BUT I THINK THAT IF WE, IF WE SHOULD, I FEEL THAT THE RECREATION AND OUR FACILITIES AND EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE INVESTING, TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING FOR THAT FOR HARLINGEN. SO THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO ACCESS IT. IT SHOULD BE ACCESSIBLE TO THEM AT A REASONABLE COST. AND I THINK $5 IS, IS FINE FOR A FAMILY. AND THEN YOU CAN IDENTIFY, OH, I'VE GOT PEOPLE FROM LA FARIA, I'VE GOT PEOPLE FROM SAN BENITO, I'VE GOT PEOPLE FROM BROWNSVILLE. ANOTHER FEE FOR THEM. BECAUSE THAT'S NOT, THEY'RE NOT HARLINGEN RESIDENTS. JUST LIKE YOU WOULD, IF YOU'D GO TO LIKE A-Y-M-C-A, YOU'D HAVE TO PAY FOR A DAY PASS. MAYBE WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE I GUARANTEE YOU, I KNOW FOR SURE THAT THERE'S A JUDGE THAT LIVES IN THE UPPER VALLEY AND SWIMS AND PAYS A DOLLAR TO COME IN, YOU KNOW, DURING, DURING LUNCH HOUR. UM, AND, AND SWIMS IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH IS FINE, BUT THAT TAKES IT AWAY FROM A HARLINGEN RESIDENT. SO THEY SHOULD PAY A PREMIUM FEE. I JUST ACT DISAGREE. WELL, I GOT SOME INFORMATION RIGHT NOW THAT FROM SOMEONE THAT'S WATCHING THAT THEY'RE TELLING ME THAT BROWNSVILLE CHARGES $3 PER PERSON TO PLAY PICKLEBALL AT THEIR SPORTS COMPLEX. I, I, I'M, YEAH, I'M AWARE. EVERYBODY CHARGES. BUT I THAT JUST BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S DOING IT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO DO IT. I THINK IT SHOULD STILL BE ACCESSIBLE. I WANT THE PERSON THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, HAS, IS STRUGGLING AND, AND, AND, AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE DISPOSABLE INCOME TO BE ABLE TO ACCEPT TO BE, TO BE ABLE TO GO ALL THE TIME. SO IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT WE WANT TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF IT, IT, 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT, IT'S NOT REVENUE GENERATING, BUT IT IS. THEY'RE PAYING SOMETHING. AND THEN THAT, YOU KNOW, IN TURN WE CAN OFFSET SOME OF THE COSTS AND IF WE ARE GONNA OPEN IT UP TO OTHERS, AND YOU KNOW, IN THE COMMU IN, IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, IF WE HAVE A MEMBERSHIP BASE, THEN WE CAN SAY, OKAY, THESE, YOU KNOW, YOUR ADDRESS IS JUST LIKE WE DO FOR THE LANDFILL AND ANY OTHER, UM, WHENEVER WE HAVE OUR, UM, EVENTS AND THEY SAY, BRING YOUR WATER BILL, IT'S NOT OPEN TO EVERYBODY. IT'S OPEN TO OUR RESIDENTS. AND I THINK OUR RESIDENTS DESERVE PRIORITY. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT THE COST OF LIKE A POS SYSTEM. OKAY. IT'S A, IT IS AN INVESTMENT. AND THEN THE, LIKE THE KEYPAD AND THAT WHOLE THING, IT'S 2026. WE NEED TO DO THAT. AND I THINK IT'S, AND, AND AS WE GET READY AND GEAR UP FOR THE REC CENTER, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO IT ANYWAY. YEAH. MIGHT AS WELL, MIGHT AS WELL TAKE CARE OF THAT, THAT NOW. YEAH. I MEAN THAT'S BETTER THAN PAYING $3 EVERY TIME YOU GO. SO YOU'RE TALKING LIKE WHAT THEY DO. NOT THAT I HAVE MUCH EXPERIENCE I'VE DONE A COUPLE TIMES, BUT AT THE GYM WHERE YOU GO AND YOU SHOW YOUR PHONE OR SOMETHING AND THEY JUST SCAN IT AND YOU JUST GO RIGHT IN. YEAH. AND WE NEED TO FIND A, WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO DO THAT. AND THEN THAT'LL BE, THAT'LL BE BETTER FOR, UH, MAYBE THE LIBRARY CAN HELP US. I'M SURE THEY'VE GOT SOMETHING GOING ON, UM, AT THE LIBRARY CARDS. THERE YOU GO. BUT WE HAVE LIKE ALSO SPECIAL SOFTWARE THAT CORRECT. I'VE BEEN TOLD AND, AND I JUST WANNA SAY FOR THE RECORD, EVEN IF WE GO CASHLESS, I'M GONNA SAY THIS HERE, WE'LL MAKE EXCEPTIONS FOR THE LIBRARY. WE WANT THE LIBRARY TO ALWAYS HAVE FUNDING. WE WANT YOU TO SELL YOUR BOOKS AND, AND THE LIBRARY IS EXCEPTION BECAUSE YOU ARE WHERE OUR KIDS FEEL SAFE. SO I HEARD THAT THERE WAS THIS RUMOR THAT, THAT, THAT I NEED A POSITION. , SHE DIDN'T GET INVITED UP, BUT SHE'S GONNA MAKE THE MOST OF IT. BABY, NO ONE'S TALKING TO YOU, DONNA. . SO, SO ANYHOW, I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GREAT TIME. WE WANNA BREAK GROUND IN THE REC CENTER JANUARY 20, 27. RIGHT? AND SO THAT MEANS GONNA COME HERE BEFORE YOU KNOW IT. SO LET'S, LET'S GET ON IT AND LET'S HAVE A SYSTEM IN, [03:15:01] IN PLACE. UM, AND MAYBE IT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IF IT WORKS, GREAT, THEN THE GOLF COURSE MIGHT WANNA HAVE, UH, PARTICIPATE IN IT TOO. OH, IF THEY ALREADY HAVE ONE, A POINT OF SALE SYSTEM MM-HMM . OH NO, BUT I'M SAYING LIKE JUST THEIR MEMBERSHIP CARD AND WHETHER IF IT'S GONNA BE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THEY, YOU NEED A, UH, UM, A HUMAN BEING RIGHT. TO, TO, TO, TO ENTER INTO PLAY. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I, I'M, THIS IS MY FEAR IS THAT THE SYSTEM ITSELF IS GONNA COST MORE. LIKE WE'RE LOSING MONEY BY BUYING THE SYSTEM AND THEN PEOPLE ARE PAYING LIKE THREE BUCKS OR FIVE BUCKS OR WHATEVER IT IS. RIGHT. AND IT'S GONNA, WE'RE NEVER GONNA RECOUP THE COST OF THE SYSTEM AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE ITSELF. SO MY CONCERN IS WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA LOSE MONEY AND GO MORE INTO THE WHOLE LONGEST. YEAH. I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S TRUE BECAUSE YOU CAN GO TO ANY OF THESE LIKE 24 HOUR GYMS AND YOU JUST SCAN AND YOU GET IN. I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT EXPENSIVE IF I MAY MM-HMM . THERE IS A SOFTWARE OUT THERE CALLED GRADE TRUNK WHERE YOU CAN JUST SCAN IT WITH A PHONE AND YOU GET ALL, ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED TO. YEAH. THERE'S GOTTA BE A, AND IT'S, AND IT'S UM, ABOUT $400 FOR 50 ASSETS. SO LET'S JUST SAY YOU HAVE 200 PEOPLE VISITING THE, THE, THE BUILDING. IT'S $1,200. YEAH. AND THE MORE THAT YOU ADD, THE MORE INEXPENSIVE IT BECOMES. SO JUST LOOK INTO IT AND SEE, I MEAN TOO, TOO, COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE LOPEZ POINT, IF IT IS, IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MAKE, UM, IT'S NOT COST EFFECTIVE, THEN IT, THEN IT'S, THEN IT'S NOT. BUT I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE, FIGURE SOMETHING OUT. I DO THINK THAT THE, THE $1 IS, AND $2 FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T CARRY CASH AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. IT'S LIKE PEOPLE THAT HAVE 20 BUCKS ON THEM AND THEN THEY LOSE ALL THEIR MONEY. UM, WAS THAT YOU IT WAS, I JUST, I ACTUALLY PUT IT DOWN ON MY TAXES AS A DONATION AT THAT POINT. RIGHT. SO IT WAS YOU. YES, IT WAS ME. OKAY. ANYHOW, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT AND WE'RE GONNA NEED SOMETHING FOR THE REC CENTER ANYHOW, UM, TO BE ABLE TO, TO, TO IMPLEMENT THAT. SO, OKAY. UM, CALLED HIM ABOUT IT. I WOULD'VE WALKED AWAY. AND THEN MAYBE, MAYBE, UH, JUST KIND OF SEE WHAT'S A, A, A REASONABLE, REASONABLE COST. OKAY. SO I THINK JUAN'S ASKING, THE, THE LAST QUESTION HE'S ASKING IS, IS PARKS GONNA KEEP THE MONEY THAT THEY'RE MAKING? NO. GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND. YOU SAID THAT'S REQUIRED TO GO TO THE GENERAL FUND? YEAH, IT IS. WHY IS IT REQUIRED? BECAUSE THAT'S, UH, UH, GABY ACCOUNTING. HUH? BECAUSE THAT'S THE ACCOUNTING SYSTEM THAT WE USE. UH, UH, WHAT'S A GABY ACCOUNTING? IT IT'S BECAUSE IT'S, UH, IT'S BECAUSE THOSE PUBLIC BUILDINGS ARE, IT'S BECAUSE THOSE PUBLIC BUILDINGS ARE ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE GENERAL FUND. AND SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE ANY OTHER MONEY THAT IT, THOSE BUILDINGS MAKE NOW, WE CAN ALWAYS INCREASE OUR EXPENSES BECAUSE OF THE ADDED REVENUE. YEP. THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY YOU, YOU, THAT'S THE WAY YOU GIVE IT BACK TO THEM. SO I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TRACKING IT. MM-HMM . TRACKING IT TO KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE MAKING YEAR, YEAR AFTER YEAR. I'M SURE THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE IT, LIKE AT THE, IN THE, AT THE SWIMMING. I MEAN YOU COULD COMMIT THE MONEY. LIKE IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT, UH, ANY OF THE MONEY THAT THAT COMES IN FOR THAT BUILDING, YOU CAN COMMIT IT, IT GOES INTO THE GENERAL FUND AND THEN WE CAN COMMIT IT AND SAY THAT MONEY IS GONNA BE SET ASIDE SPECIFICALLY FOR YEAH. JUST LIKE JEFF HART'S TRYING TO DO YEAH. FOR RENOVATIONS OR, OR ANY ADDITIONS TO, TO THE APPROACH SHOP THERE MM-HMM . YEAH. WE CAN, WE CAN JUST INCREASE THEIR EXPENDITURE. RIGHT. WHENEVER THEY START MAKING MORE MONEY, THAT'S THE WAY TO GET IT BACK. ALRIGHT, SO THEN THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS JUST BRING THE MONEY BACK TO THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, WHETHER IT'S THE LIBRARY, WHOEVER, WHOMEVER. WELL WE DO THAT NOW. IF, IF, IF I THINK THAT THAT THEY DON'T MAKE ENOUGH TO, THEY'RE NOT, NONE OF THEM ARE SELF SYSTEMS. OH NO. MOST OF OUR PARKS MAYOR LOSE MONEY. RIGHT. I JUST, BUT IT IS A GREAT IDEA TO KEEP, KEEP TRACK OF IT. AND IT ALSO GIVES US, UM, DATA OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE, ARE, ARE, UM, ATTENDING AND, AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. IF I COULD JUST REPHRASE THAT, ALL OF OUR PARKS LOSE MONEY. RIGHT. AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT BECAUSE IT IS A QUALITY OF LIFE, UM, INITIATIVE. MM-HMM . SO YEAH. ALRIGHT. ROBERT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL OF OUR PARTS AND BUILDINGS, THIS ONE. SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THE POSITIONS THAT, WELL DONNA WAS ASKING, SHE WAS TRYING TO BE VERY SMOOTH OVER THERE. . UM, SHE NEEDS A LIBRARY ASSISTANT AND TWO LI TWO ASSISTANTS. YES. UM, WE HAVE A 48,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, FIVE SERVICE DESKS AND WE'RE OPEN 58 HOURS A WEEK. AND HISTORICALLY WE'VE RELIED VERY HEAVILY ON WORK STUDY WORKFORCE AND VOLUNTEERS. UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF THOSE POSITIONS THAT WE USED TO GET ARE FEDERALLY FUNDED AND AS [03:20:01] AGENCIES ARE LOSING FUNDING, WE'RE LOSING THOSE EXTRA STAFF MEMBERS THAT WE'VE, WE REALLY RELY VERY HEAVILY ON. YOU GUYS HAVE RUN A FANTASTIC SHIP. UH, EVERY TIME I'VE GONE IT'S BEEN VERY CLEAN, ORGANIZED. UH, I'VE ALWAYS GOTTEN A LOT OF WORK DONE WHEN I'VE GONE, UM, YOUTH OR ADULT. YOUTH. OKAY. THANK YOU. I CAN SUPPORT THAT. OKAY. YEAH, I'VE DONE THE SAME THING WHEN I GO TO THE LIBRARY. THEY'RE VERY SUFFICIENT. AND WE ALREADY SAID YES TO PLANNING, CORRECT? CORRECT. YES. UM, THE CITY PLANNER. THE CITY WE DID. YES. YES. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT IT. OKAY. I THOUGHT YOU SAID THAT. ME? MM-HMM . NO, AT THE OUTSET OF THE MEETING, THE, BEFORE WE GOT INTO THE POSITIONS, NO. THAT WE ADDED A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR, UH, PLANNING EQUIPMENT THAT THEY NEEDED THE TABLES, UH, FOR THIS PERSON? Y YEAH, BUT I DIDN'T SAY HER, THIS PERSON. OKAY. IT WAS, IT WAS CAPITAL EQUIPMENT THAT WE SAID WE ADDED BACK. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. AND WAS, OH YEAH. AND IT WAS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. WHAT'S THE 4,000 FOR THE DOOR TO FIX IT? THAT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT HAS WRITTEN ADDRESS. WHERE'S THAT IN PERSONNEL? IS THAT, IT JUST REMINDED ME. OH, OH, I WAS GONNA SAY THOUGH. SO DOES THIS MEAN THAT IT'S, IT WILL BE THE CITY PLANNER, NOT THE SENIOR PLANNER? 'CAUSE THAT WAS THE OPTION, THE TWO OPTIONS. SO WE REQUESTED 75,000 FOR A SENIOR PLANNER OR A CITY PLANNER. WHICH ONE DO YOU NEED MORE? UH, SENIOR PLANNER. YOU'VE ONLY GOT ONE HERE. MM-HMM . YEAH. SO IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS INPUTTED IN THE BUDGET AS EITHER OR. AND THE AMOUNT THAT WE HAD PUT IN IT WAS 75,000. NO, THIS SAYS 70 65. I UNDERSTAND. BUT WELL, THE ORIGINAL REQUEST, IT WAS THAT 75,000 BUCKS. OKAY. I DIDN'T CHANGE IT. SO THEN, WAIT, I HAVE IT IN THE BUDGET. I CAN SHOW IT TO YOU. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CITY PLANNER AND A, DID YOU SAY SENIOR PLANNER? SENIOR PLANNER. YES. WHAT, WHAT, TELL ME. SO I AM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LACKING RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE A STAFF DEDICATED TO FOCUS ON THE LONG RANGE PLANNING ASPECT. AND SO THAT WILL BE YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LOOKING AT MAYBE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS, UM, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. UH, EVERYTHING. UM, BASICALLY THE CITY PLANNERS HANDLE, UH, CURRENT PLANNING. AND SO THAT'S BASICALLY YOUR SONY REQUESTS THAT COME IN EVERY MONTH. UH, AND THEN SUBDIVISION REVIEW. AND A SENIOR PLANNER HAS WHAT KIND OF EXPERIENCE? OR? SO THEY'RE TYPICALLY MORE TENURE THAN A PLANNER. PLANNER IS TECHNICALLY AN ENTRY LEVEL POSITION IN THE PLANNING FIELD. MM-HMM . AND SO, UH, THIS PERSON, I MEAN, IDEALLY WOULD HAVE AT LEAST FIVE, SIX YEARS OF EXPERIENCE. AND SO THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, AMEN. ORDINANCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. OKAY. SO, SO THAT I'M TRACKING ON THE BOTTOM OF PAGE 24. MM-HMM . IT SAYS CITY PLANNER. WE'RE CHANGING THAT FROM CITY PLANNER TO SENIOR PLANNER. WELL, THAT WILL BE MY ASK. OKAY. AND THEN ARE YOU STILL WANTING ON PAGE 25, THE PLANS EXAMINERS? YES. OKAY. FOR THE BUILDINGS DIVISION. ALRIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THAT'S ADDING ANOTHER 10,000 ONTO THE POSITION. MM-HMM . SO DOES IT GO UP TO A HUNDRED? YEAH. YEAH. WELL, THIS BUDGET'S GONNA LOOK REAL GOOD ONCE WE FINISH . WELL, WE'RE TRYING HERE. THERE'S NO, UM, GUARANTEED. IT'S JUST CORRECT. WE'RE GONNA SEE WHERE WE'RE AT. OKAY. UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WHAT ABOUT SHANNON? YOU GOT SOME ASKS? I HAVE A QUESTION. MAY I? YES, MA'AM. ON THE ANIMAL CARE SERVICE OFFICER SHANNON? YES, MA'AM. HOW MANY DO YOU HAVE? RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THREE OFFICERS AND ONE SENIOR. AND HONESTLY, WE'VE BEEN AT THAT STAFF FOR THE 21 YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY. AND AS MUCH AS THE CITY HAS GROWN, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE STRETCHED THIN. UM, WE'RE DOING A LOT OF EDUCATION. WE'RE, UM, JUST DOING A LOT OF OUTREACH, ADDRESSING DOG ISSUES, ANIMAL ISSUES IN GENERAL. THIS YEAR, IN ALL HONESTY, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE HAD QUITE A FEW ANIMAL CRUELTY CASES AND THOSE TAKE AN EXTREME AMOUNT OF TIME. WE WORK WITH PD, THE COURT CASES TO PROCESS THOSE TO SEE IF THE DA'S GONNA PROS PROSECUTE THOSE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT'S JUST VERY TIME CONSUMING AND WE'RE JUST STRETCHED VERY THIN. SO FOR THE LAST, I'M SORRY, THIS IS GONNA NEED A TRUCK TOO, RIGHT? YES. VEHICLE. DO YOU HAVE THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE IN HERE? UH, THAT WAS AN ERROR AND OVERSIGHT ON MY [03:25:01] PART. I DID NOT PUT THAT TRUCK IN THERE. OKAY. SO FOR THE LAST 21 YEARS, YOU'VE, YOU'VE HAD THREE AND ONE SENIOR. YES, MA'AM. WOW. HAVE YOU FOUND, I MEAN, YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT IN THE LAST, IN THIS PAST YEAR, THAT YOUR ANIMAL CRUELTY CASES HAS LAB, ABOUT WHAT PERCENTAGE HAS IT INCREASED IN YEARS PAST? I, I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT WE'VE HAD AN ACTUAL CRUELTY CASE EACH YEAR OR ANYTHING THIS YEAR ALONE. OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I WOULD SAY WE'VE HAD AT LEAST FOUR. OKAY. SO IT, AND IT'S DEFINITELY INCREASED. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. AND WE'RE VERY THANKFUL FOR PD AND THE ASSISTANCE, UM, AND, AND WORKING WITH THEM, BUT IT IS VERY TIME CONSUMING. AND FOR CONSTITUENTS BEING SO VIGILANT THAT ARE THEY, THEY'RE ACTUALLY REPORTING THIS? YES. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. TELEGRA, CAN YOU GET THE COST FOR WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO EQUIP THIS PERSON WITH A TRUCK AND ANY OTHER EQUIPMENT THEY WOULD NEED? HONESTLY, IT'D REALLY JUST BE THE TRUCK. THE OTHER EQUIPMENT, THE CATCH POLES, THE MINOR ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT WE ALREADY HAVE. UM, SO REALLY OUR, OUR BIGGEST EXPENSE WOULD JUST BE THE TRUCK AND THE, THE EMPLOYEE ITSELF. OKAY. AND THAT'S THE F-150, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE TRIED TO DO A RANGER LAST TIME AND IT DIDN'T WORK. YEAH. BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF DOGS THAT, THAT WE WORK WITH. YES. WE WOULD NEED THE F-150. OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A HEALTH INSPECTOR. WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT? UM, HONESTLY, IT'S ABOUT THE SAME IN, IN THE 21 YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE, WE'VE HAD THE THREE SAME HEALTH INSPECTORS, OR NOT THE SAME HEALTH INSPECTORS, BUT THE SAME THREE POSITIONS. IT'S ACTUALLY TWO HEALTH INSPECTORS AND ONE SENIOR. UM, OUR RESTAURANTS HAVE INCREASED IN NUMBER IN 21 YEARS. AND EVEN ON TOP OF THAT, OUR MOSQUITO CONTROL, OUR VECTOR CONTROL, UM, WITH, WITH US ANNEXING ACREAGE AND, AND AREAS AND CREATING SUBDIVISIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, THEY'RE JUST NOT ABLE TO SPRAY AS QUICKLY AS WE WOULD LIKE. WE ALL KNOW WHEN IT RAINS, EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE, WANTS THEIR AREA TO BE SPRAYED NOW MM-HMM . AND WITH THE EXPANSION IN 21 YEARS, WE'RE JUST NOT ABLE TO DO THAT COVERAGE. WHAT I FEEL IS IN A TIMELY MANNER, THE, THE HEALTH INSPECTORS DO THE BEST THEY CAN. THEY WORK EIGHT HOURS AND THEN THEY GO HOME FOR AN HOUR OR TWO AND COME BACK AND SPRAY FOR FOUR HOURS. SO FOR AT LEAST A WEEK, THEY'RE WORKING 12 HOUR DAYS AT LEAST. YOU HAD ME AT MOSQUITOES AND IT'S VERY TOUGH. . I'M SORRY, YOU HAD ME AT MOSQUITOES RIGHT THERE. YOU HAD ME AT HELLO . RIGHT. OKAY. YOU'RE ALSO GONNA NEED A TRUCK. THAT ONE. WE DO HAVE A TRUCK. YOU HAVE IT IN STOCK ALREADY? YES. ALONG WITH THE, UH, APPARATUS. WELL, THAT'S THE 2008 TRUCK THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED WITH YOU. AND WE HAD SENT TO BE, UM, AGAIN, I KEEP WANTING TO SAY REFURBISHED. IT'S NOT REFURBISHED, UM, BUT LIKE AN OVERHAUL DONE ON IT. SO WE'VE SPENT 21 THOU 20,000 ON THAT TRUCK TO, TO HAVE IT OVERHAULED. UM, SO WE DO HAVE THAT TRUCK, BUT IT IS A 2008. IT HAS ROUGHLY 120,000 MILES ON IT. SO IT'S NOT A NEW TRUCK BY ANY MEANS, BUT WE DO HAVE A VEHICLE. IT'LL GO ANOTHER YEAR. WE WILL MAKE IT GO ANOTHER YEAR. $20,000 BETTER. MM-HMM . I ALWAYS LIKE, UM, IF YOU DIDN'T PURCHASE. YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SHANNON. SINCE WE'RE ALL ASKING FOR EMPLOYEES, , THIS IS ALL YOU BACK THERE. YOU DON'T GET IT IF YOU DON'T ASK, MAN. UM, WE ARE ASKING FOR ONE IN FINANCE AND, UM, PURCHASING. BUT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON HERE? , TELL US WHAT YOU NEED, ROBERT, AND WHY. SO WE WE'RE ASKING ACTUALLY FOR IN, IN, UH, IN FINANCE WE ARE ASKING FOR LIKE A PAYROLL ACCOUNTANT BECAUSE WE HAVE, WE HAVE ONE PAYROLL ACCOUNTANT AND WE HAVE GROWN SIGNIFICANTLY TO ALMOST 700 EMPLOYEES. AND SO NOW WE ARE, WE, WE HAVE A DEADLINE. SO WHEN WE PROCESS OUR PAYROLL, WE, WE PROCESS UP TO THE MINUTE WE HAVE NO PAYROLL PERIODS IN ARREAR. SO WE PROCESS UP TO LIKE, UM, WEDNESDAY. SO OUR PAY PERIOD ENDS TUESDAY. WE PROCESS WEDNESDAY AND WE PAY ON THURSDAY. SO THAT HAS BECOME OVERWHELMING FOR THAT ONE PERSON. SO WE'VE HAD TO HAVE OTHER SENIOR ACCOUNTANTS HELP HER WITH THAT PROCESS IN ORDER TO GET IT IN TIME BECAUSE OUR DEADLINE IS AT, AT FOUR O'CLOCK ON PAYROLL. WHAT PAGE IS THAT? THAT IS ON PAGE 22. WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE 22. I GET YOUR SCREEN. I DIDN'T SEE THAT. HUH? IT'S ON THE SCREEN. OH, OKAY. BUT TO MARK IT ON MY PAYCHECK AND THAT ONE WOULD BE GENERAL FUND FUNDED. [03:30:01] SO THIS IS FINANCE, RIGHT? WE CAN'T USE CVB TO PAY FOR THIS. NO, NO. I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA SAY, CAN WE USE CVB TO PROCESS OUR PAYROLL? I WOULD AND THEN THE OTHER ONE THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR IS, IS THE SAME PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IN OUR PURCHASING DEPARTMENT IS THAT THAT'S IN THE OTHERS. WE HAVE GROWN AND, AND WE ONLY HAVE TWO PEOPLE IN PURCHASING THAT GENERATE PURCHASE ORDERS AND WE HAVE MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS THAT GENERATE TONS AND TONS OF PURCHASE ORDERS. SO WE ALWAYS GET BACKED UP THERE. SO, UM, THOSE WERE THE TWO. IS THERE NOT A WAY TO AUTOMATE THAT SYSTEM? MM-HMM . AS FAR AS LI NO, BECAUSE IT REQUIRES A LOT OF REVIEW. LIKE THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS IN ORDER FOR US TO FOLLOW OUR PURCHASING PROCUREMENT POLICY AND THE STATE LAW, UH, THERE HAS TO BE SOMEBODY REVIEWING TO ENSURE THAT EVERYTHING IS IN, IN, IN, UH, ALIGNMENT WITH OUR PURCHASING POLICY ON THAT. AND I ONLY MENTIONED THIS 'CAUSE I WAS TOLD THIS, THERE IS A VERY WELL KNOWN BANK THAT'S LOCAL THAT'S BEEN USING AI TO DO. WHY NOT TO DO ALL THE INITIAL CHECKS. AND IT'S BEEN HELPING THEIR LOAN OFFICERS LIKE PUSH OUT A LOT OF THAT BECAUSE WHAT YOU DO IS YOU UPLOAD OUR POLICIES INTO IT AND THEN IT COMPARES OUR POLICIES TO THAT SAID HE'S GONNA LOOK INTO IT. YEAH. . BECAUSE IT THEN JUST ALLEVIATES A LOT OF Y'ALL'S WORKLOAD. RIGHT. IT BOUNCES THINGS BACK. IF IT'S NOT COMPLYING, NOTIFIES THE PERSON, HEY, THIS IS WHY, I MEAN, WE CAN SEE THE COST. WE'RE LOOKING TO UPGRADE OUR, UM, HOUSE PAYABLE SYSTEM. WE NEED 300,000 MORE LESS. AND IT HAS AI ON IT. . SO, SO I, I ACTUALLY HAVE SIT DOWN. OKAY. SO, UM, I ACTUALLY WAS LOOKING INTO THIS, UM, JUST RECENTLY AND I THINK I TALKED TO GABE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT, ABOUT THERE'S UM, A WAY FOR US TO UTILIZE, UM, AI AND FOR IT TO, YOU KNOW, ENSURE THAT IT'S SAFE AND, AND IT'S ONLY WITHIN THE CITY. AND, AND YOU HAVE, UM, KIND OF LIKE WHAT YOU MENTIONED, UPLOAD ALL OF OUR POLICIES, THE CHARTER, EVERYTHING THAT'S LOCAL TO THE CITY, AND THEN ONLY CITY STAFF HAS ACCESS TO THAT. AND, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, BUILDING OUT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE MAY SAVE US A LOT OF MONEY IN TERMS OF, UM, TIME. SO I DID GET SOME KIND OF A PROPOSAL. I'LL SEND IT TO MARK AND, AND, AND TO GABE, UM, JUST FOR, FOR Y'ALL'S REVIEW. TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND THEN IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, THEN MAYBE WE CAN, UM, LOOK INTO IT TO SEE HOW WE CAN GET THAT DONE. I THINK THAT HAVING, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN AUTOMATE, YOU'RE GONNA NEED A PERSON OBVIOUSLY TO REVIEW IT CORRECT. AT THE END. BUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS MAKING SURE THAT UM, IF THERE IS A WAY THAT AI CAN HELP IN TERMS OF GETTING IT READY FOR THAT REVIEW, THAT'S WHAT'S TAKING UP ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE TIME. OKAY. SO I, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN INVEST IN THAT, I THINK THAT IT'LL PAY FOR ITSELF. UM, WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT THOSE OPTIONS. YEAH. SAID IT WAS THEY USED CLAUDE. YEAH. AND IT'S NOT $300,000 SIR. . YEAH. SO, SO YEAH. I THINK, AND THEN IT'S, IT'S REALLY INTERESTING 'CAUSE THEY HAVE LIKE A, I GUESS AN AGENT, RIGHT? YOU TALK, YOU TELL IT WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WANT IT TO DO AND THEY BUILT IT OUT KINDA LIKE CHAT GPT AND CLAUDE. CORRECT. GEMINI. BUT IT WOULD BE SPECIFIC FOR THE CITY SPECIFIC AND SECURE FOR THE CITY. YEAH. YEAH. UM, ALRIGHT, SO, SO, SO IN IN TOTAL, OF COURSE THE, THE FINANCE ONE WOULD BE IN GENERAL FUND. THIS ONE WOULD BE OUT OF THE, UM, THE, UM, ONE OF THE INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS. AND THERE'S MONEY IN THERE FOR THAT. UH, THEY GENERATE THEIR OWN MONEY 'CAUSE THEY CHARGE A 15%. UH, SO THERE IS MONEY IN THERE THAT, THAT'S WHERE THAT ONE WOULD COME OUT OF FOR THAT POSITION. MM-HMM . SO THEY CHARGE EACH DEPARTMENT 15% LIKE A PROCESSING FEE. RIGHT. IT'S KIND OF EXPENSIVE WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT. IT'S, BUT, BUT IF YOU COULD STREAMLINE THAT BECAUSE, BECAUSE IT'S, IT INCLUDES PURCHASING AND MATERIALS WAREHOUSE. SO THE MATERIALS WAREHOUSE IS THE ONE THAT GENERATES A 15% FROM EACH DEPARTMENT. MM-HMM . OKAY. SO JUST TO RECAP, IT'S 45 POSITIONS IN GENERAL FUND 45 RE CLASSIFICATIONS AND 12 POSITIONS IN THE OTHER FUNDS. THE, AND SO DOES THE GOLF COURSE HAVE MONEY FOR ITS POSITIONS? NO. . I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT MAKING MONEY YET. I'M JUST, WE KNOW, WE KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, JEFF. IT WAS FOR THE , THE LIGHTS. IT'S BECAUSE WE'LL BE STAYING OPEN FOR THE LIGHTS OF THE, THE RANGE WILL BE OPEN. SO WE'LL NEED SOMEBODY TO BE PICKING UP BALLS, SOMEBODY BE TO BE SELLING RANGE [03:35:01] BALLS TO PEOPLE AND THE SNACKS AND, AND BEER AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THESE ARE PART-TIME POSITIONS, RIGHT? YES. THEY'RE ALL PART-TIME. WHY, WHY DO WE HAVE BENEFITS ASSIGNED TO THAT? I THINK THE BENEFITS IS ROBERT, UH, IS THAT FROM THEIR RE RETIREMENT THAT THEY GET, UM, OH, THEY TAKE THE SEVEN. YOU HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE TO TMR S OKAY. PAYROLL TAXES. THAT MAKES SENSE. YEAH. OKAY. AT THE CITY, THE COUNTY, WE, I, WE WORK DIFFERENT IN THE CITY PART-TIMERS GET RETIREMENT IF THEY REACH A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DOLLARS. OH, I THINK THEY TAKE IT OUT NO MATTER WHAT. NO, WE DON'T ALWAYS TAKE IT OUT OF EVERYBODY. MINE HAVE TO REACH A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DOLLARS. OKAY. MINE PRETTY MUCH DO. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM, UH, COMMISSION? NO. YES, I HAVE A QUESTION IF YOU DON'T MIND. SURE. COMMISSIONER EZ, GOING BACK TO GOING BACK TO PAGE 22, THE INTERNAL AUDITOR, SHE'S BEEN ASKING FOR SOME SUPPORT FOR THE PAST TWO OR THREE YEARS SINCE SHE'S BEEN THERE, BUT WE FINALLY GOING TO GIVE HER SOME HELP. GABE, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S UP TO THE COMMISSION, UH, TO DECIDE TO DECIDE THAT. UM, IS SHE HERE? NO. NO. OKAY. MAYBE WE'LL, WE CAN LOOK AT IT AT THE NEXT MEETING, UM, AND HAVE SAN JUANA KIND OF ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. SO GOING FORWARD, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE SLIDES. THERE'S MAYBE ONE THAT I NEED TO GO THROUGH, BUT ALL OF THE OTHER, UH, INFORMATION ON THESE SLIDES ARE BASED ON, ON THE, THE TAX RATE, THE MM-HMM . ONE 10TH OF A CENT THAT WE'VE CALCULATED. SO IF YOU WANT TO WAIT TO GO OVER THESE WHEN WE ACTUALLY GET THE AMOUNTS. YES. SO WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK YOU TO DO IS, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A TALLY HERE, AND WE HAVE GONE THROUGH PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING SO FAR, IF YOU CAN TOTAL THAT FOR US SO THAT WAY THE COMMISSION HAS AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT FIGURE LOOKS LIKE. SURE. AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT EACH OF OUR TAX RATES IN TERMS OF REVENUE. OKAY. UM, AND THEN, AND THEN KIND OF GO FROM, GO FROM THERE. I I, I COULD SEND IT TO YOU BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING. OKAY. UM, IF WE COULD JUST GO TO PAGE 33 REAL QUICK. MM-HMM . UM, YEAH, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ONE I WANT TO GO THROUGH. IT'S JUST THAT ONE WHERE THAT FUNDING IS. OKAY. UM, I, I WANT TO COVER JUST THE, THE HOT FUND REAL QUICK. OKAY. UM, I AM RECOMMENDING THAT WE GIVE THE BURNING FESTIVAL, UH, AN ADDITIONAL $20,000. THEY WANNA HIRE A PART-TIMER TO, TO HAVE ON STAFF YEAR ROUND TO ANSWER CALLS, UM, TO TRY TO ATTRACT BIRD HERE YEAR ROUND. AND SO THAT WOULD TAKE 'EM FROM 80 TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND. IS THAT NECESSARY YOU THINK? WELL, IT, THAT'S ON THE HOTEL MOTEL SIDE. YEAH. IT'S ON THE HOTEL MOTEL SIDE. UH, IT, AND THEY DO GENERATE A LOT OF REVENUE FOR THE CITY ON THE HOT FUND WHENEVER THEY HAVE THEIR, THEIR, THEIR FESTIVAL. AND THIS WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE AT THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND THEY WOULD BE HERE, UH, THAT PERSON WOULD BE AVAILABLE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, MAYBE NOT MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, EIGHT TO FIVE. OBVIOUSLY IT'S ONLY 20,000, BUT, UH, AVAILABLE TO HELP DURING SOME OF THE PEAK BIRDING, UH, VISITS. SO, AND THEY REALLY THINK THAT THIS COULD HELP, UH, PERHAPS GET THEM TO HAVE A SECOND SMALLER BIRD FESTIVAL, UH, DURING THE YEAR. UH, SO THAT MIGHT BE A POSSIBILITY. WHAT WOULD THEY, WHAT WOULD THEY DO? UH, JUST ANSWER CALLS ABOUT BIRDING. UM, AND I'M NOT SURE IF IT WOULD, UM, BECAUSE, UH, REALLY THERE ARE NO OTHER BIRDING FESTIVALS IN THE VALLEY EXCEPT OURS. UH, THEY MAY BE SMALLER ONES, BUT NOT NOTHING QUITE AS BIG AS OURS. AND SO THEY WOULD JUST TALK ABOUT, UM, THE SEASONS WHEN THE BIRDS COME THROUGH HERE AND WHAT TYPES OF BIRDS MAY BE, UH, SEEN AT CERTAIN TYPES OF THE YEAR. COULD, COULD WE NOT HAVE, UM, CASSANDRA'S DEPARTMENT, UH, ANSWER THOSE TYPES OF QUESTIONS? A MARKETING PERSON? THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. CAN WE GET CASSANDRA? I FEEL LIKE THE PRICES, RIGHT? . UM, SO RECENTLY, UH, I WAS ASKED TO BE ON THE BOARDING FESTIVAL CORE TEAM, AND I WENT TO ONE OF THEIR MEETINGS AND THEY'RE IN DESPERATE NEED OF MARKETING. UM, SO I'VE KIND OF BEEN TAKING THAT UNDER MY WING. UM, AS OF RIGHT NOW, UM, I DON'T, I, I FEEL LIKE I NEED A LITTLE MORE TIME TO REVIEW WHAT THEY'RE WORKING ON TO SEE HOW WE CAN HELP THEM [03:40:01] INSTEAD OF JUST KIND OF GIVING THEM THIS $20,000. UH, NO, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS YOUR NEW ROLE, MY NEW PERSON AND YOUR SECRETARY HELPING, UM, OH YEAH. I'M SURE THEY COULD ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS ON BIRD. I DON'T KNOW. UM, TO WHAT DEPTH, RIGHT. LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD KNOW EXACTLY. LIKE WE HAVE A OVERVIEW OF WHAT KIND OF BIRDS WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF HARLINGEN. WE KNOW THE HOTSPOTS. I HAVE A BIRDING GUIDE IN THE CITY OF HARLINGEN ON MY WEBSITE. WE HAVE BIRDING INFORMATION. UM, SO I'M SURE THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER BASIC QUESTIONS ON BIRDING AND THE FESTIVAL ITSELF. MM-HMM . NOW THIS WOULD BE YEAR ROUND, NOT JUST THE FESTIVAL. UH, YEAH. 'CAUSE THAT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE ALL YEAR ROUND. WE DO, UM, ALSO PLACE ADS YEAR ROUND ON MARKETING FOR, OR FOR BIRDING FOR THE CITY OF HAR ENGINE AS WELL. MM-HMM . YEAH. SO OUR DEPARTMENT YEAH. COULD PROBABLY HELP NOW THAT WE HAVE AN EXTRA PERSON. THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING. JUST BECAUSE I MEAN, I, I, I AGREE THAT THEY BRING IN A LOT. I'VE GONE AND, AND SEEN AND I THINK WE DID A TOUR, UM, YEAH. THIS LAST TIME AND THEY DO A FANTASTIC JOB. AND IF WE COULD CREATE ANOTHER ONE, THAT'D BE EVEN BETTER. BUT I THINK THAT, UM, WE ALREADY HAVE CVB AND WE'RE GONNA ADD IN A PERSON AND IF THEY CAN JUST, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE ALREADY HAVING THOSE, UM, ATION YEAH. WE ALREADY HAVE THE INFORMATION ON THEM. AND LIKE I SAID, NOW THAT I'M IN THE CORE TEAM, I COULD PROBABLY JUST GET MORE INFORMATION THAT WE COULD RELAY TO PEOPLE ASKING QUESTIONS ON BIRD AND HAREN. AND I THINK WE'D HAVE A BIGGER PLATFORM TOO. SO IF SHE WANTED TO MARKET AND THINGS, IF YOU'RE GONNA GET SOMEBODY TO START FROM SCRATCH AND IT'S A PART-TIMER, IT'LL BE REALLY HARD TO KIND OF GET, UM, REALLY THAT TRACTION, UH, WHEN THEY ALREADY HAVE THAT ESTABLISHED. YEAH. WE HAVE, LIKE I SAID, BIRDING GUIDES, UM, INFORMATION ON BIRDING ON THE WEBSITE. WHEN THEY COME IN, WE TRY TO LIKE TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHERE TO GO AND WHAT TO DO. AND BIRDING IS ONE OF THOSE ATTRACTIONS. OKAY. OKAY. EXCUSE ME. MAY I NEED TO INTERJECT HERE? UH, THE LADY WHO'S THE DIRECTOR OF THIS, CAN, CAN SHE BE, CAN SHE ASK, UH, CAN WE TALK TO HER NEXT WEEK? OR WHEN AT THE NEXT, UH, MEETING BUDGET WORKSHOP? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SUE GRIFFIN? UM, SUE'S NOT IN CHARGE ANYMORE. HER NAME IS IRMA. YEAH. WELL, SUE, SUE STEPPED DOWN. SO NOW I THINK IT'S DAVID CHEBE THAT'S TAKING ON, UM, THE, THE NEW DIRECTOR. HER NAME IS IRMA. UM, I DON'T REMEMBER HER LAST NAME, BUT, UH, I'M SURE SHE WOULD PROBABLY LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHAT THAT I COULD GIVE YOU HER EMAIL IF YOU'D LIKE. I THINK COMMISSIONER MORALE IS ASKING IS IF SHE CAN COME TO OUR WORKSHOP. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S, UM, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE, WE'RE GONNA DROP THE FUNDING BACK TO THE 80, SO YEAH. THEY'RE NOT GONNA, IS IS THERE SOME SPECIFIC INFORMATION THAT YOU WERE WANTING FROM, UH, WANTING FROM HER THAT MAYBE CASSANDRA CAN TRY TO GATHER THAT INFORMATION? COMMISSIONER? IT IS NOT THE INFORMATION. I KNOW THEY'VE DONE A HECK OF A GOOD JOB IN, IN BRINGING IN PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD FOR OUR BIRDING FESTIVAL. MM-HMM . SO I'M MORE IN FAVOR OF, INSTEAD OF JUST THE, THE 20,000, CAN WE DO A LITTLE BIT MORE? THAT'S WHAT I'M LEANING TOWARD, NOT CUTTING IT. OKAY. WELL, I THINK GIVEN THAT, UM, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT'S SPOKE BEFORE AS NOW, I THINK THAT WE, WE CAN KEEP IT AT, KEEP IT AT THIS AND SEE IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IF THEY GROW TO ANOTHER FESTIVAL, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE PUT SOME MORE SUPPORT, UM, BEHIND IT. BUT THE, THE REQUEST WAS FOR SOME SPECIFIC INFORMATION, UH, SPECIFIC TO MARKETING AND ANSWERING CALLS. UH, YEAH. THE ISSUE THOUGH, THINKING ABOUT THIS, I APOLOGIZE, IS THEN WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO WITH THEIR SPACE AT THE CHAMBER, HYPOTHETICALLY? THEY SAVE IT. THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE A SPACE RIGHT NOW. THEY JUST HAVE A SIGN. BUT THERE'S, THERE'S NOBODY THERE. NO, THE, THE CHAMBER WOULD GIVE 'EM A, LIKE A BOOTH TO HAVE A PHONE AND JUST ANSWER CALLS FROM THERE. OKAY. YEAH. SO THEN WHAT WOULD WE, WHAT WOULD WE MOVE THE SIGN TO THE DID BUILDING? I DON'T THINK THEY NECESSARILY NEED IT. I THINK THAT IT'S THE, YOU KNOW, I IF SO HYPOTHETICALLY, RIGHT? IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE THAT'S INTERESTED, THE IDEA IS THAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE CALLING FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE. THEY'RE NOT SEEING THE SIGN, THEY'RE GOING TO THE WEBSITE AND THEY'RE SAYING, WE WANT MORE INFORMATION, AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO FIND THAT INFORMATION, CALL CASSANDRA'S DEPARTMENT, AND THEN SHE'LL ANSWER, OR THEY SEND AN EMAIL. IT JUST NEEDS TO HAVE, UH, MORE INFORMATION ON HOW TO OBTAIN THAT ON, ON THIS, ON THE WEBSITE THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE. AND ON THEIR SOCIALS, THEY ALREADY SHARE A TON OF STUFF ON, ON THE BIRDING FESTIVAL. MM-HMM . SO I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT WE'RE FINE. UM, OKAY. IN THAT REGARD. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S THE ONLY THING I HAD YOU, ROBERT, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? THANK YOU. THANKS. THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAD WAS THE SLIDE I WAS GONNA GO OVER. AND THE OTHER THING IS THE, THE FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS AT THE MUSEUM WITH THE BACK ROOM HAVING THE ISSUES IT'S HAVING AND THEN THE HOUSE, THE, THE, THE HOSPITAL. MM-HMM [03:45:01] . THAT IS COLLAPSING. ALEXIS, ARE YOU HERE? WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE HOSPITAL? I KNOW THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER EZ AND I DID A TOUR WITH YOU AND CHRIS ABOUT LIKE NINE MONTHS AGO OR SO, IT SEEMS LIKE. YEAH, SO WE HAVE GOTTEN A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER TO GO OUT, UM, AND ASSESS THE HOSPITAL. UH, THE HOSPITAL IS OVER A HUNDRED YEARS OLD AS FAR AS ALSO TO THE LON C HILL BUILDING AND THE HEB HISTORIC BUILDING, WHICH IS FAIRLY NEW TO OUR NEW EXHIBIT THERE. THE HEB HISTORIC BUILDING NEEDS A NEW ROOF. UM, AND THE HOSPITAL ITSELF NEEDS A NEW ROOF STABILIZATION AND EVERYTHING YOU CAN ASK FOR, UM, FOR THE HOSPITAL, IT'S DETERIORATING PRETTY BAD. UM, WE JUST GOT A ESTIMATE ON AT LEAST STABILIZING, UH, WITH THE BRACKETS UNDERNEATH THE HOSPITAL TO AT LEAST HOLD THE WALLS TOGETHER. UM, AND THAT IS COVERING AROUND $20,000. MM-HMM . AND THEN FROM THERE, IT'S A WHOLE NEW ROOF TOO. UH, COULD ESTIMATE AROUND 40 TO 60 GRAND FOR THE HOSPITAL. SO WE, IN ORDER FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT THE EXHIBITS THAT PEOPLE ARE COMING TO VISIT AT THE MUSEUM ARE BEING SUSTAINED AND OPEN, LIKE THE HOSPITAL RIGHT NOW IS, IT'S NOT OPEN HALFWAY BECAUSE OF THE STABILIZATION OF THE HOSPITAL. SO WITH THAT, I MEAN, A LOT OF OUR BUILDINGS ARE DETERIORATING AND WE NEED TO REHAB THEM. THEY ARE LANDMARKS, STATE LANDMARKS TOO. SO WE NEED TO KEEP UP WITH THE MAINTENANCE OF THE BUILDINGS. SO WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? MY QUESTION IS THAT WE NEED TO DO FACILITY MAINTENANCE, RIGHT? WHICH IS A NEW ROOF BECAUSE THE BACK ROOM WHERE THE HEB CENTER IS MM-HMM . THAT'S WHY I REMEMBER YOU TELLING US. RIGHT. YOU HAVE THE WAGONS AND THE COTTON AND ALL THAT. THAT'S OUR NEW EXHIBIT. MM-HMM . GREAT. UH, THAT, THAT, UH, WHENEVER THERE IT RAINS, THERE'S A LOT OF WATER COMING IN THERE. AND THEN THE, UH, HOSPITAL AS WELL. AND SO WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR GRANTS, BUT BECAUSE THAT BUILDING WAS MOVED, THAT IS HAVING ISSUES. YEAH. YEAH. SAME THING FOR THE LON C HILL HOME. WE CAN'T REALLY APPLY FOR ANY GRANTS BECAUSE THEY WERE BOTH RELOCATED TO A NEW LOCATION. THEY'RE NOT STILL AT THEIR ORIGINAL LOCATION. SO, ALEXIS MM-HMM . GO AHEAD. THIS HAS TO BE A GRANT OR CAN WE GET SOMEBODY TO DONATE THIS KIND TO DONATE WORK? THE SERVICES. THE SERVICES AND WORK. YEAH. WE CAN GET, WE CAN GLADLY ACCEPT DONATIONS. UM, I KNOW THE MUSEUM ASSOCIATION, THE GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE THERE HAVE ALREADY DONE A LOT OF DONATIONS TO THE MUSEUM AS FAR AS BUILDING UPKEEP, NOT ONLY FOR THE BUILDINGS, BUT THE ACTUAL LOBBY ITSELF, UM, WHICH IS OWNED BY THE CITY AND THEY HELP, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT AND, AND GIVE US A LOT OF DONATIONS. I MEAN, BASED ON THE 60,000 THAT WE GET ALREADY FROM HOLTA MTO FUND, I ONLY HAVE $500 IN ADVERTISING TO DO FOR THE MUSEUM. SO WITH THE HELP OF KEY PARLIN AND BEAUTIFUL TOO, THEY JUST DID A NEW DIGITAL SIGN FOR US AND IT JUST GOT INSTALLED TODAY. THAT'S GONNA DRAW A LOT OF TRAFFIC INTO THE MUSEUM. SO WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE OUR EXHIBITS ARE, ARE KEPT. THIS HAS THE ROTARY WRITTEN ALL OVER IT. THIS IS MAYBE A PROJECT THAT YOU, I KNOW BOTH OF YOU'RE PART OF THE ROTARY, RIGHT? MM-HMM . MAYBE THIS IS A PROJECT THAT YOU GUYS CAN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PUSH TO THEM A LITTLE BIT. 'CAUSE THEY'RE REALLY GOOD AT, AT HELPING OUT WITH THE CITY. SO I THINK THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THEY'D WANT, MIGHT WANNA DO FUNDRAISE. GOOD IDEA. THE TASTE OF HARLINGEN ALSO DOES BRING IN SOME INVESTMENT RIGHT? TO DO TO, YOU KNOW, TO UPKEEP THE, THE BUILDINGS. BUT THE RGV MUSEUM ASSOCIATION IS THE ONE THAT DOES THAT FUNDRAISING EVENT. IT, IT'S NOT HOSTED BY THE CITY. WE JUST HOST IT THERE AT THE FACILITIES, BUT THEY'RE THE ONES THAT DO THE TASTE OF HARLINGEN. WE GET THE RESTAURANTS TO COME TO THE MUSEUM, ADD, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT THE MUSEUM, UH, COURTYARD TOO. UM, CAPE PARING AND BEAUTIFUL HAS BEEN HELPING WITH ALL THAT AS WELL. GETTING NEW TRASH CANS. WE IMPROVED LIGHTING THERE, UM, AT THE COURTYARD SO THAT WAY WE CAN HELP ALSO RENT THE FACILITY OUT FOR THESE EVENTS. SO WE'VE NEVER HAD ANYBODY LOOK AT IT AND SEE HOW MUCH IT'LL COST TO, TO FIX THESE. WE ARE DOING, WE'RE DOING IT IN PHASES. SO RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST ABOUT STABILIZATION OF THE HOSPITAL. AND SO WITH THAT, THE COST WAS AT 20. WE DID GET A ROOF ESTIMATE, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ALREADY KIND OF LIKE A DEAD ESTIMATE. WE NEED TO GO OUT AND GET A NEW ONE. UM, BUT I CAN PROBABLY ESTIMATE AROUND WHAT, 40 60? THAT'S ABOUT 80,000. $80,000 JUST FOR THE HARLINGEN HOSPITAL. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE ON TOP OF THAT THE HEB HISTORIC BUILDING. SO, UM, JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS. HOW MUCH DO YOU GET FROM THE TASTE OF HARLINGEN THAT GOES BACK INTO THE IMPROVEMENTS ON AVERAGE? IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE ACTUAL, UM, THE MUSEUM ASSOCIATION IS THE ONE THAT KIND OF SAYS, OKAY, THIS YEAR IT'S GONNA GO TOWARDS THE HOSPITAL'S ROOF, RIGHT? MM-HMM . SO THEY HAVE ALREADY ALLOCATED 20,000 FOR THE ROOF. SO IT'S 20,000 ON AVERAGE A YEAR YES. THAT YOU GET, OKAY. MM-HMM . AND HAVE [03:50:01] YOU APPROACHED HEB TO SEE IF THEY'D WANT TO HELP? I ASKED OUR MUSEUM MANAGER TO START THAT ALREADY INITIATION. SO WE'RE, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, RIGHT. OF GOING THROUGH THE APPLICATION AND SO FORTH. I KNOW THEY'VE HELPED WITH SIGNAGE WHEN WE DID THE RIBBON CUTTING FOR THE HEB HISTORIC BUILDING. THEY'VE DONE SOME INVESTMENT INTO THE BUILDING ITSELF. MM-HMM . BUT WE HAVEN'T GONE TO, UM, ASK FOR ANYMORE. BUT YOU'RE ALREADY STARTING TO DO THAT? YES. OKAY. FANTASTIC. MM-HMM . UM, WHAT ABOUT TRYING TO GET MORE THAN 20,000 TO GIVE SOME SUPPORT TO THE MUSEUM, UM, BOARD, UH, THROUGH THE OTHER, THE, THE CITY MUSEUM, UH, BOARD TO KIND OF WORK TOGETHER TO TRY TO BRING SOME MORE LIFE BACK INTO THAT? BECAUSE IT USED TO HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT WOULD ATTEND. AND IT SEEMS LIKE YEAR AFTER YEAR KIND OF GETS A LITTLE, UM, THERE'S LESS AND LESS PEOPLE ATTENDING AND LESS OF THE RESTAURANTS PARTICIPATING MM-HMM . SO IS THERE A WAY THAT MAYBE WE CAN, UM, SUPPORT THEM SO THAT WAY THERE'S MORE MONIES THAT ARE DRAWN INTO THE MUSEUM? YEAH, OF COURSE. I MEAN, THE MUSEUM ASSOCIATION JUST DOES A BALLPARK ESTIMATE, RIGHT? OF HOW MUCH THEY'RE GONNA GIVE TO US AT 20,000. WE KEEP ASKING AND KEEP ASKING AND KEEP ASKING FOR MORE AND MORE AND MORE. MM-HMM . UM, IT JUST ALL DEPENDS TOO ON, UM, THIS IS THEIR EVENT. IT'S NOT A CITY EVENT. SO I CAN'T REALLY JUST LIKE JUSTIFY LIKE, OH, I NEED 40 GRAND, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU GIMME AN ADDITIONAL 20? MY MUSEUM BOARD DOES NOT HAVE ANY JURISDICTION ON ANY TYPE OF FUNDING. UM, THEY DON'T APPROVE OR DENY ANY FUNDING THAT COMES THROUGH. UH, OUR, OUR BOARD MM-HMM . UM, THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, WE JUST KEEP 'EM UPDATED AND LET THEM KNOW ABOUT ATTENDANCE COUNTS, OUR MARKETING THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, ANY UPCOMING PROGRAMS, EXHIBITS, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL WE KIND OF SHARE WITH OUR MUSEUM BOARD. I WONDER IF THERE'S A WAY TO DO ANOTHER FUNDRAISER THEN MAYBE IF IT'S NOT THE SAME ONE. JUST WE, WE ARE ALREADY LOOKING INTO NEXT YEAR, BUT WE DON'T HAVE MONEY RIGHT. TO DO A SUMMER PROGRAM RIGHT. FOR THE KIDS AND STUFF. SO THAT WAY WE CAN START CHARGING, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UM, SEMINARS AND STUFF. OR I THINK WE ALSO WANTED TO DO LIKE AN AFTER HOURS, UM, MUSEUM TOUR, RIGHT. UH, AT NIGHTTIME. AND IT WAS LIKE A MUSEUM TOUR AT NIGHT. UM, AND YOU WOULD BUY A TICKET AND YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, DO SOME TYPES OF FUNDRAISING, BUT THERE'S OPTIONS THERE. IT'S JUST FUNDING. WE DON'T HAVE THAT TO DO. OKAY. I DON'T HAVE AN EVENTS ACCOUNT FOR THE MUSEUM. FOR ME TO START DOING THOSE FUNDRAISING ACTIVITIES. SOMETHING WE WANTED TO DO WAS HAVE AN EVENT WHERE IT'S LIKE A MONTHLY, UH, LIKE COCKTAIL HOUR AT THE MUSEUM MM-HMM . WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE A LOCAL PROFESSOR COME AND TALK ABOUT A DIFFERENT, LIKE A ORAL HISTORY YEAH. COCKTAIL HOUR. THE, THE IDEA BACK WHEN I WAS IN, WHEN I WAS LIVING IN HOUSTON, THEY WOULD HAVE SPEAKERS GO TO DIFFERENT, LIKE A BAR AND THEY WOULD TEACH YOU HOW TO LIKE, DO THE THINGS THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO DO. LIKE, LIKE, UH, WHAT IS IT CALLED? FOLD. A FITTED SHEET, RIGHT? MM-HMM . AND THAT BECAME LIKE A BIG THING WHERE THEY WERE TEACHING YOU LIKE THESE LIFE SKILLS. WHAT IT'S BECOME NOW, WHAT IT'S MORPHED TO IS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LIKE AN ASTRO ASTRONOMY PROFESSOR SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE UNIVERSE. RIGHT. AND YOU HAVE THAT EVENT AND IT BRINGS PEOPLE DOWN THERE MM-HMM . AND SO IT'S HOW DO WE ACTIVATE THE SPACE AND IF WE CAN'T ACTIVATE, IF THE ROOF IS LEAKING MM-HMM . RIGHT. UH, AND IS THAT, UM, CHRIS, IS THIS GONNA BE PART OF THE SHY BEE THING? UH, NO, IT'S NOT, SIR. SO THEN THE BUILDING, THE FACILITY, IT'S ITSELF JUST DETERIORATING CLEARLY EVERY TIME IT RAINS. I JUST, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT THE, I LOOK AT THE MUSEUM AND I'VE SPOKEN WITH SOME OF THE FOLKS AT THE, THE GEN GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY AND LOOKING AT, UM, YOU KNOW, AT THE EXHIBITS, I DON'T SEE, I DON'T SEE A LOT THAT REPRESENTS A LOT OF THIS COMMUNITY. MM-HMM . SO IS THERE A WAY TO ADD EXHIBITS AND GET SOME, I MEAN, WE GOT A LOT OF, UH, HISTORY IN OUR COMMUNITY AND MAYBE SOME OF THOSE FAMILIES WOULD WANT TO PARTICIPATE IF THERE WAS AN EXHIBIT THAT, YOU KNOW, REFLECT OUR, OUR HISTORY. AND I THINK, WHICH I LOVE THAT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TALKING TO KRISTEN LUCKY. YES. AND KRISTEN LUCKY HAS THIS IDEA OF HAVING AN EVENT WHERE YOU HIGHLIGHT LOCAL FAMILIES. SO YOU'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, UH, THE LOPEZS AND, YOU KNOW, THE LOPEZS CAME INTO HARLINGEN WHATEVER YEAR THIS IS THE CONTRIBUTIONS THEY'VE MADE THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE CITY. MM-HMM . AND THEN YOU WOULD BE GIVEN LIKE A LITTLE, OH, LIKE A PLAQUE AND LIKE A, YOU COULD ALSO DONATE THINGS TO THE MUSEUM MM-HMM . UH, TO SHOW A CERTAIN ASPECT OF IT. RIGHT. SO LIKE MY PARENTS, MY DAD GREW UP ON SOUTH L STREET, AND THAT PART, BECAUSE IT WAS THE WEST SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS, WAS CONSIDERED LIKE THE LATINO PART OF HAREN. THERE'S THAT, BUT THEN YOU ALSO HAVE PARTS LIKE THE FAMILIES THAT CAME AND STARTED HAREN OR THE LOZANO, OR WHO, WHOMEVER. IT DOESN'T, IT'S WHOEVER'S FAMILIES COMING CONTRIBUTED TO HAREN. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND I THINK IT WAS CALLED FOUNDER'S [03:55:01] DAY BACK THEN. UM, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, BASED UPON, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FOUNDER, RIGHT? LON C HILL, AND THEN THE FAMILIES THAT CARRIED THROUGH THE, YOU KNOW, THE CREATION OF THE EVENT. UM, THEY USED TO HAVE A WAGON, THEY WOULD DO BOND THE GUMBO AND LIKE FAMILIES WOULD BE ABLE TO COME OUT AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SHARE THEIR STORIES. BUT, UM, WE DO HAVE AN UPCOMING EXHIBIT FOR HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH THAT THE GENEALOGY'S PUTTING, UH, TOGETHER. UM, I THINK THE, THE THIS POINT ON, WE, WHEN WE, WHEN I OVERSEE THE MUSEUM BACK IN NOVEMBER, KIND OF ALL THE EXHIBITS WERE ALREADY READY, YOU KNOW, OR ALREADY BOOKED RIGHT. FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR. MM-HMM . UM, MY MUSEUM MANAGER IS NOW BOOKING FOR 2027, AND WE'RE ALREADY ALMOST DONE. WE DID GET A GRANT FOR A MEXICAN FIESTA FOR NEXT YEAR. UM, THAT WAS A THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT WAS GRANTED TO US. UM, SO WE'LL BE FEATURING A STATEWIDE EXHIBIT OF MEXICAN FIESTA, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, EXHIBIT. SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO EXPAND IN DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROGRAMMING AND EXHIBITS FOR THE MUSEUM. AND SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS DON'T TYPICALLY SEE RIGHT. WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU USED TO GO TO THE MUSEUM, NOW YOU'RE GONNA SEE IT IN A DIFFERENT ELEMENT, UM, WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE ARE BRINGING TO THE MUSEUM. I, I AGREE. 'CAUSE I THINK KIND OF TO, TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, I AGREE. I, I THINK, UM, THE LATINO, UM, CONTRIBUTION HAS BEEN KIND OF IGNORED A LITTLE BIT, UM, FROM HARLAN'S HISTORY. AND I THINK THAT IF WE BRING THAT OUT MORE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE BUY-IN FROM THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S LATINO AND WE DID HAVE A MAJOR ROLE IN IT, AND WE ARE THE MAJORITY, AND I THINK WE NEED TO CELEBRATE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. YEAH. I THINK WHAT, WHAT THE EXHIBITS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY, THEY'VE BEEN ONGOING FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS. RIGHT. BASED UPON PREVIOUS LEADERSHIP AND PREVIOUS, UM, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S BEEN AN ASSOCIATION RUN MUSEUM. I WOULD JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT NOW THAT I CAME IN HERE, IT, THE CITY HASN'T REALLY SAID MUCH. SO WITH YOUR GUYS' SUPPORT AND ADVOCACY TO HELP ME GET THERE, I, I WOULD LOVE TO BRING IN NEW TYPES OF EXHIBITS AND, AND PROMOTE THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HERITAGE THAT WE HAVE HERE IN, IN HARLINGEN. I WOULD JUST, I KNOW THAT I HAD TALKED TO THE MUSEUM BOARD PROBABLY TWO YEARS AGO ABOUT, AND THERE WAS SOME INTEREST, UM, FROM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE MEMBERS, UM, THAT VOLUNTEER THEIR TIMES TO, TO HAVE, UM, LIKE THESE TIKAS INSTEAD OF, I MEAN, THAT'S GREAT PROFESSORS. AND I THINK THAT'S NICE AND, AND TRENDY AND, AND, AND I THINK IT'LL BRING IN A LOT OF PEOPLE. BUT ALSO, UM, THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE, THE FOLKS THAT REALLY KNOW OUR HISTORY AND HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS, UM, AND TALKING ABOUT, UM, OUR, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WHEN YOU WALK INTO THE MUSEUM AND YOU GO INTO THE ANCY HILL HOME, IT'S ALL GREAT, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE HISTORY? WHAT REALLY HAPPENED DURING THAT TIME? AND HAVING PEOPLE HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND TEACHING THE YOUNGER GENERATION HOW WE CAN STILL, UM, HAVE THESE EXHIBITS, BUT WE CAN ALSO APPRECIATE THE HISTORY AROUND IT THAT WASN'T NECESSARILY CAPTURED IN WHAT THE EXHIBIT REFLECTS. AND I THINK THAT THAT YOUNG GIRL, UM, SALANA, I THINK IT IS OH YES. UHHUH. I THINK SHE'S GOT, UM, GREAT STORY, GREAT STORIES. I MEAN, YOU COULD START WITH HER. YEAH. YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND TALKING ABOUT, UM, THOSE FAMILIES THAT, THAT REALLY, UM, THAT ARE UNKNOWN BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S GONNA BE THE FAMILIES THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE THIS LEGACY. BUT I THINK WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HISTORY, THE PEOPLE THAT BUILT THIS COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE VERY, VERY LIMITED TIME LEFT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. WE DO HAVE THE BOBO HOUSE AT THE VERY BACK THAT WE CAN , RENOVATE AND MAKE THAT OUR HISPANIC HERITAGE EXHIBIT. THAT NEEDS A LOT. I KNOW. BUT IT'S JUST SITTING THERE AND IT, IT'S NOT DOING MUCH. IT'S GORGEOUS. YEAH. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL MAY I MAYOR. BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. YES. COMMISSIONER, UM, ALEXIS, GOING BACK TO, TO THE HEB APPLICATION THAT YOU STARTED MM-HMM . DID. WAS THAT AT REGIONAL LEVEL, DO YOU KNOW? AND WAS IT ONLY FOR THE HISTORIC BUILDING? IT WAS ONLY FOR THE HEB HISTORIC BUILDING. I DID WANNA GET LIKE, NEW SIGNAGE AND NEW, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE VIBRANT AND BEAUTIFUL. UM, NEW, UH, NEW ROOF. I DID PUT THE NEW ROOF ON THERE. UM, SO IT WAS AT A REGIONAL LEVEL AND THE, IT WAS ONLY AT REGIONAL LEVEL THAT THE APPLICATION, IT'S WHAT? THE DONATION APPLICATION. I JUST, I JUST SEND IT OUT. I PUT WHERE WE'RE FROM, I PUT THE ORGANIZATION AND WHAT THE REQUESTED AMOUNT OF NECESSITIES. MAY I HELP YOU WITH THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE? I'D LIKE TO GO TO CORPORATE LEVEL. YES. LET'S DO IT. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . WELL, LET'S GET IN TOUCH TOMORROW. OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR, IF I MAY. YES, SIR. UM, SO THE METRICS THAT FOLLOW THE MUSEUM ON A, ON A, WE, ON A MONTHLY BASIS, THE NUMBERS HAVE GROWN ALMOST EVERY SINGLE MONTH TRAVELING, UH, EXHIBITS THAT THEY'RE HAVING. UM, UH, ANGIE HAS DONE AN AMAZING JOB, UH, DOING TOURS WITH THE H-C-I-S-D. UM, AND SO THERE'S A LOT MORE TRAFFIC GOING [04:00:01] THROUGH THE MUSEUM, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE DON'T KEEP UP WITH THE MAINTENANCE, UH, WE'RE GONNA LOSE WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. RIGHT. I KNOW IT, THIS MIGHT NOT HAPPEN THIS YEAR, BUT I THINK WE CAN DO IT IN PHASES AND THEN MAKE, MAYBE GET, UH, DONATIONS AND DO OTHER THINGS. UM, IT'S, IT'S AN AMAZING MUSEUM JUST WITH THE SIGNAGE THAT GOT PLACED TODAY. I WENT BY AND I SAW IT, AND IT'S AMAZING. YOU, YOU GUYS GOTTA GO LOOK AT IT. YEAH. IT'S GONNA MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE. I THINK THAT'S GREAT. I THINK ANOTHER THING YOU PROBABLY NEED TO REACH OUT TO IS ONCE WE GET THE NEW DIRECTOR AT THE AIRPORT, I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE COMING INTO OUR COMMUNITY, THEY'RE DRIVING RIGHT BY, IF WE COULD HAVE SOME KIND OF ADVERTISEMENT THERE OF THE MUSEUM, ANGIE'S ALREADY WORKING ON THAT. WE, WE WANNA DE DESIGNATE A WALL TOWARDS OUR HISTORY, RIGHT. OF IF MAYBE AN EXHIBIT IN THE AIRPORT ITSELF MM-HMM. KIND OF GATHERING EVERYBODY TO GO TO THE MUSEUM. MOST OF OUR TRAFFIC IS FROM THE AIRPORT. MM-HMM . THEY HAVE DELAYS, THEY HAVE FLIGHT DELAYS, AND THEY, THEY JUST FIND SOMEWHERE TO WALK, YOU KNOW, COMFORTABLY. AND WE'RE RIGHT THERE. MM-HMM . AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF, AND THE OTHER THING ABOUT THIS LOCATION, ABOUT REACTIVATING IT OR ACTIVATING IT, IS THEY HAVE A LOT OF TRAVELING EXHIBITS. RIGHT? SO LIKE, THE SMITHSONIAN AS A TRAVELING EXHIBIT THAT I THINK CAME TO BROWNSVILLE RECENTLY. MM-HMM . THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE IN BROWNSVILLE I THOUGHT WAS FANTASTIC. AND WHAT IT WAS, WAS A, UH, A BOX CAR THAT WAS DESIGNED TO LOOK LIKE THE ONES THAT TOOK, UH, UH, THE JEWISH POPULATION DITZ AND TO THOSE, UH, CONCENTRATION CAMPS. AND SO, UH, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY WANNA BE PROMOTING. AND I, AND I LOVE BOTH OF Y'ALL'S IDEAS, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE THE LOCATION AND WE HAVE TO HAVE THE FACILITIES, RIGHT? MM-HMM . UH, REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE PUT IN IT, WHATEVER IT LOOKS LIKE. I THINK, UH, TO YOUR POINT, UH, OUR, THERE'S SO MANY LAYERS TO OUR CULTURE, SO MANY LAYERS TO WHAT HAR ENGINE IS, LIKE LASAGNA, RIGHT? MM-HMM . UH, THAT I THINK, EH, THERE YOU GO. NEW YORKER. THAT I THINK WE CAN REALLY MAKE THE SPACE POPPING, BUT WE HAVE TO PUT IN, I'M NOT DISAGREEING IN TERMS OF THE MAINTENANCE, I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, WE'RE GONNA PUT IN THIS INVESTMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT HAS BEEN THERE FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME. AND THIS, THESE, UM, REPAIRS, YOU KNOW, HAVE BEEN NEEDED AND IT HASN'T BEEN PRIORITIZED. AND IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, INVEST, WHICH IS FINE. UM, BUT I THINK THAT, UM, COMMUNITY DESERVES TO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST SOME REPRESENTATION. YEAH. AND I THINK THERE'S JUST LIKE, SO MANY COOL WAYS THAT THIS PLACE CAN BE LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE COULD PUT A CHILDREN'S, UM, WING IN THERE, CHILDREN'S MUSEUM WING IN THERE. WE CAN DO SO MUCH, BUT AGREE. YEP. LET'S DO IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. UH, SO TO THAT POINT, WHICH SLIDE IS IT? I SAW IT ON PAGE 33. THREE THREE, RIGHT? THAT'S THE ONLY SLIDE WE HAVE THAT DEALS WITH HOT FUNDS. OKAY. SO, WELL FOR THE NEXT ONE, THE NEXT MEETING, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO? THE, THE MAINTENANCE, THE ROOF AND ALL THAT. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE A, A SET AMOUNT. CORRECT. THAT'S WHY IT NEEDS TO BE PUT ON FOR THE NEXT AGENDA. RIGHT. UM, ROBERT, IF YOU COULD ALSO GET US THE FUND BALANCE FOR THE HOT FUNDS. YES. UH, THAT ONE IS ON, THAT'S, THAT'S ON PAGE 34. ON PAGE WHAT? 34. OH, THE NEXT ONE? THAT'S THE SECOND ONE. THE FUND 1 0 5. IT'S PROJECTED AT 5.6 MILLION. 5.6 MILLION. MM-HMM . BY THE END OF, UH, 2027. OKAY. WE'RE STARTING WITH 4.6. DID DID YOU, HAVE YOU ALREADY SET ASIDE THE, THE FUNDS THEY'VE ALLOCATED OR, UH, I THINK THE ALLOCATED NEW POSITION A MILLION FOR CA. UM, IT'S ALL IN THAT 5.6, BUT I CAN SHOW IT TO YOU. NO, WE, WE NEED TO TAKE THAT OUT. OKAY. 1 MILLION BECAUSE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN COMMITTED. AND THEN, UM, I GET, I'LL GET TOGETHER WITH YOU. YEAH, WE CAN , WHAT IS THE MEMORIAL LIBRARY? IT'S THE, THAT'S THE PUBLIC LIBRARY FOUNDATION SPONSORSHIP OR OUR DONATIONS? ACCOUNT DONATIONS. OH, THAT'S JUST THE NAME ALL OVER YEAR, YEAR, YEAR. OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? ALL RIGHT. OKAY. SO, UM, GOING TO CANCEL, UH, THE NEXT WORKSHOP 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT READY. YES, MA'AM. RESCHEDULE, RESCHEDULE, HOLD THE COMMISSION. AND THEN, [04:05:01] UM, IF YOU CAN START WORKING ON THAT NUMBER, SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. YES. I'M CURIOUS, UH, IF YOU CAN EVEN, IF YOU CAN PROVIDE TIME BEFOREHAND SO THAT WAY WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND WE'LL HAVE A LIVE, I'LL TRY AND PUT IT TOGETHER A LIVE, UH, SPREADSHEET SO THAT WE CAN HAVE IT THERE. AND I WILL ADD, UH, COMMISSIONER PET'S, UH, UH, SLIDE ON THE SPONSORSHIPS. OKAY. YEAH. SO THAT WAY ONCE YOU, ONCE WE PLUG IN THE REAL NUMBERS AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT NUMBER LOOKS LIKE, DEPENDING ON, ON WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS AND YES. WHAT THE COMMISSION WANTS TO ADOPT, THEN WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE TWO NUMBERS, UH, JIVE. OKAY. AND, AND THEN WE CUT FROM, WE CUT FROM THERE. RIGHT. OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT THEN. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU TO THE STAFF FOR COMING OUT. THANK. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.